Re:“Soul Food of Japan” – Buraku cuisine conceals a history...
by apalmer on Monday February 29, 2016 @01:14PM
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I am not really exactly buying into the full premise of this article. While to a large degree the lack of exposure of this branch of japanese cuisine is based on bias... It also is clearly based on the fact that these are the least desirable cuts of flesh and offal from the least desirable livestock animals.
Much like sure you CAN really masterfully make something chittlins taste as good as intestines can taste... its still going to be viewed as lower class leftover scraps because thats really fundamentally what it is at its core.
Re:“Soul Food of Japan” – Buraku cuisine conceals a history...
by song on Monday February 29, 2016 @06:26AM
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Yes, Burakumin are still discriminated against.. Less so now than before, but coming from a Dowa area is still seen as a negative, land prices in Dowa areas are significantly cheaper, those neighborhoods are much poorer and there are still quite a few parents who will strongly object to their daughter marrying someone that comes from such an area.
It's not as bad as discrimination against Zainichi Koreans but it exists and does affect the job prospect of Burakus.
I used to live south of Kyoto station which is a Dowa district and had friends from this minority (as well as Zainich Korean friends). So I'm saying this based on experience.
Back to the topic at hand, Saiboshi is delicious :)
Re:“Soul Food of Japan” – Buraku cuisine conceals a history...
by brobinson on Monday February 29, 2016 @05:17AM
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I think whoever runs ignition.co or does marketing for it liked the traffic boost they got from someone posting this article randomly: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10802816
Then created these accounts to drip feed more of their articles here:
I mean, just look at the titles. They don't fit with the general theme of the content which is usually posted on HN. This general focus of content on HN has indeed become more muddied and low quality as time has gone on and it approaches Reddit status, but I'm not ready to give it up yet.
Re:“Soul Food of Japan” – Buraku cuisine conceals a history...
by dang on Monday February 29, 2016 @05:22PM
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Thanks for being concerned about the quality of HN. Here's what I'm pretty sure was going on:
It's common for boutique publications like this to randomly get posted to HN (often by excellent HN users with long track records). Someone at their office notices the traffic, and they create accounts to start promoting their site here. Obviously that's not a good fit for HN. I sometimes email them letting them know that they should stop because our users will consider it spamming—or alternatively, that they should join the community in earnest and post from a diverse set of sources, including their own.
But that doesn't make the site itself spam. This class of publications often produces articles of general intellectual interest, which is why a user like nkurz would have submitted it in the first place. Such articles are welcome here—they're neither off-topic nor a recent development, and it's good for HN to be well-stocked with outlier stories.
Re:“Soul Food of Japan” – Buraku cuisine conceals a history...
by brownbat on Monday February 29, 2016 @06:15AM
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He may be a spammer, but I take issue with:
> They don't fit with the general theme of the content which is usually posted on HN.
I'm glad HN isn't /r/programming, where there are strict controls on topics. There has always been an 80/20 mix of stories about tech or startups / interesting stories about the world, and I find that works pretty well to hold my interest.
There's a universal nostalgic bias that everything used to be better, so I'm skeptical by default of any claim that something has declined in quality over time. It might be true, just needs some kind of data to be persuasive, rather than personal testimonies.
There are plenty of people who only submit from a single domain, and there are some people who post very much more from those single domains than the handful of links these accounts post.
But, again, if you think it's a problem you achieve more by emailing HN ratHer than posting to this thread.
> I mean, just look at the titles. They don't fit with the general theme of the content which is usually posted on HN. This general focus of content on HN has indeed become more muddied and low quality as time has gone on and it approaches Reddit status, but I'm not ready to give it up yet.
I asked some really specific questions and it's frustrating that you just give this non-specific hand-wavey answer. I think you're wrong about the muddied focus, I think you can find articles like this from the site's early days.
Much like sure you CAN really masterfully make something chittlins taste as good as intestines can taste... its still going to be viewed as lower class leftover scraps because thats really fundamentally what it is at its core.
I just can't stop laughing at that description of that picture.
Also, I get to add Buraku to the list that starts Ainu, Women and Foreigners.
It's not as bad as discrimination against Zainichi Koreans but it exists and does affect the job prospect of Burakus.
I used to live south of Kyoto station which is a Dowa district and had friends from this minority (as well as Zainich Korean friends). So I'm saying this based on experience.
Back to the topic at hand, Saiboshi is delicious :)
For example, I discriminate against liver and cauliflower.
Isn't there a better place for you to promote these articles? They don't really fit HN.
That's for HN users to decide, and they have upvoted the article just fine. If you don't like it, don't upvote it.
Why do you think this article doesn't fit on HN? What about it makes it a poor fit? What articles should be on HN?
Then created these accounts to drip feed more of their articles here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=marmn
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=alma88
I mean, just look at the titles. They don't fit with the general theme of the content which is usually posted on HN. This general focus of content on HN has indeed become more muddied and low quality as time has gone on and it approaches Reddit status, but I'm not ready to give it up yet.
EDIT: Ahh, I'm wrong. There's another account which predates the "moss" submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=ngym
So it's just spammers who have about 33% of their articles killed by the system, and I suppose the rest are being flagged off the front page.
It's common for boutique publications like this to randomly get posted to HN (often by excellent HN users with long track records). Someone at their office notices the traffic, and they create accounts to start promoting their site here. Obviously that's not a good fit for HN. I sometimes email them letting them know that they should stop because our users will consider it spamming—or alternatively, that they should join the community in earnest and post from a diverse set of sources, including their own.
But that doesn't make the site itself spam. This class of publications often produces articles of general intellectual interest, which is why a user like nkurz would have submitted it in the first place. Such articles are welcome here—they're neither off-topic nor a recent development, and it's good for HN to be well-stocked with outlier stories.
See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11090064 for another explanation re keeping HN weird.
> They don't fit with the general theme of the content which is usually posted on HN.
I'm glad HN isn't /r/programming, where there are strict controls on topics. There has always been an 80/20 mix of stories about tech or startups / interesting stories about the world, and I find that works pretty well to hold my interest.
There's a universal nostalgic bias that everything used to be better, so I'm skeptical by default of any claim that something has declined in quality over time. It might be true, just needs some kind of data to be persuasive, rather than personal testimonies.
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=arm
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=amy8341
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=Kechol
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=jpatokal
https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=nkurz
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=MarlonPro
A couple of those people are long standing HN users, with over 1k karma.
These people only submit ignition.co articles:
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=tekitoeditor
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=alma88
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=nana7
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=marmn (they have a single link to a medium post alongside their ignition.co articles)
https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=tdys
There are plenty of people who only submit from a single domain, and there are some people who post very much more from those single domains than the handful of links these accounts post.
But, again, if you think it's a problem you achieve more by emailing HN ratHer than posting to this thread.
> I mean, just look at the titles. They don't fit with the general theme of the content which is usually posted on HN. This general focus of content on HN has indeed become more muddied and low quality as time has gone on and it approaches Reddit status, but I'm not ready to give it up yet.
I asked some really specific questions and it's frustrating that you just give this non-specific hand-wavey answer. I think you're wrong about the muddied focus, I think you can find articles like this from the site's early days.