TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Dismantled in Secret

Re:TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Disma... by reacweb on Thursday February 25, 2016 @08:20AM (#11174163)

This kind of procedure is clearly there to fight democracy. I think the TTIP should not be adopted whatever its content, just because of this non democratic procedure. The people who have initiate this procedure should be investigated. Maybe a law should be adopted to punish these nasty people.

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Re:TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Disma... by chrisseaton on Thursday February 25, 2016 @08:28AM (#11174228)

> Maybe a law should be adopted to punish these nasty people.

I don't think you should punish people with ex post facto laws, and in many countries you can't.

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Re:TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Disma... by pdkl95 on Thursday February 25, 2016 @09:07AM (#11174442)

There may already be a law on the books in some countries.

Regarding the US, these treaties will probably effect more harm to the protections and government as defined by the Constitution than any army. So at what point does that count as "levying war"? Or are we going to pretend that "war" doesn't include economic weapons?

(I suspect this might be easier in other countries, that use a less restrictive definition of treason)

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Re:TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Disma... by chrisseaton on Thursday February 25, 2016 @09:52AM (#11174759)

Do you genuinely think it would be reasonable, just and workable to extend the definition of war to drafting a proposed trade agreement that you don't like?

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Re:TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Disma... by JupiterMoon on Friday February 26, 2016 @02:06AM (#11180197)

This is more than a agreement to not levy tariffs on each others trade. Since it includes a loss of sovereignty for the US government it should be directly incompatible with the US constitution..

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Re:TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Disma... by JupiterMoon on Thursday February 25, 2016 @08:41AM (#11174315)

TTIP may violate some of the principles behind our democracies. Laws already exist to cover for example treason...

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Re:TTIP Enters New and Dangerous Stage as Democracy Is Disma... by logfromblammo on Thursday February 25, 2016 @10:18AM (#11174943)

Also, the "nasty people" believe that such laws do not apply to them. This belief is not entirely unfounded. The laws may technically apply to them, but they are somehow never enforced when it really counts.

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