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Re:Apple Is Said to Be Working on an iPhone Even It Can’t Hack by muddi900 on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:20PM (#11172366)
Can the SE be updated on a locked phone? Because Apple's docs give the impression that it can't.
Re:Apple Is Said to Be Working on an iPhone Even It Can’t Hack by jtuchsen on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:33PM (#11172412)
The only statement I could find from Apple was from the iOS security guide that states, "it utilizes its own secure boot and personalized software update separate from the application processor." I think we can both agree that's a pretty vague statement, if you have a better source I'd like to see it.
Re:Apple Is Said to Be Working on an iPhone Even It Can’t Hack by snowwrestler on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:45PM (#11172443)
A former Apple engineer said on Twitter:

"@AriX I have no clue where they got the idea that changing SPE firmware will destroy keys. SPE FW is just a signed blob on iOS System Part"

https://twitter.com/johnhedge/status/699882614212075520

Then Apple seems to confirm it:

"The executives — speaking on background — also explicitly stated that what the FBI is asking for — for it to create a piece of software that allows a brute force password crack to be performed — would also work on newer iPhones with its Secure Enclave chip"

http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/19/apple-executives-say-new-ip...

Re:Apple Is Said to Be Working on an iPhone Even It Can’t Hack by muddi900 on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:45PM (#11178080)
I understand that the boot chain is the only way Apple may modify the behaviour of the Enclave but how would the update be forced? DFU wipes the class key, making any attempt at trying to brute force the phone, useless. If debug pinout access is available, then why does FBI needs Apple to access the phone at all?