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Re:Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual? by acqq on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @09:28AM (#11166915)
Exactly, as soon as we project our human-related names the behavior of "jumping on whatever" becomes something like "homosexual necrophilia" or "sadomasochism" or "rape" or whatever:

"The first case of homosexual necrophilia in the mallard Anas platyrhynchos (Aves: Anatidae)"

http://www.hetnatuurhistorisch.nl/fileadmin/user_upload/docu...

or more popular:

Kees Moeliker: How a dead duck changed my life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUQLN4o63SY

or

"Kangaroo shown 'grieving' was actually trying to mate with dying female: experts"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-14/grieving-kangaroo-actu...

Even cannibalism of the partner's body during or after sex can be supported with "nature":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_cannibalism

Evolution produces everything we can imagine, and more.

Re:Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual? by Kristine1975 on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:49AM (#11168124)
Don't ever look up "traumatic insemination"...
Re:Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual? by acqq on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:55AM (#11168168)
Thanks for the suggestion, the nature is really beautiful in all the variations it devises!

"Traumatic insemination, also known as hypodermic insemination, is the mating practice in some species of invertebrates in which the male pierces the female's abdomen with his penis and injects his sperm through the wound into her abdominal cavity (hemocoel)." "The process is detrimental to the female's health. It creates an open wound which impairs the female until it heals, and is susceptible to infection."

Re:Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual? by Kristine1975 on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @12:03PM (#11168236)
Then I have another one for you: When mating, the male spider Nephilengys malabarensis snaps off his penis and leaves it inside the female. That way he can fend off other males and also is better able to defend himself against the female that tries to eat him: http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2012/06/12/male-spid...

Nature is absolutely fascinating (and makes me happy I'm a human).

Re:Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual? by acqq on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @12:15PM (#11168348)
> makes me happy I'm a human

Truth to be told, being human in the case of being female human but born on the wrong place, under wrong religion probably wouldn't make you happy:

Typologies of FGM

Hundreds of millions affected.

Re:Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual? by kbenson on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @12:42PM (#11168574)
And yet you are responding to a comment using an example where one of the mating pair snaps off their genitals to make it easier to avoid being eaten by the other of the mating pair. Personally, I think that's a bit worse, and reason to prefer being human even considering the hardships that may be encountered due to birth circumstances such as gender and location.

Your points about the hardships of being human depending on birth circumstance are important, and deserve attention in general, but I don't think they're really constructive to the discussion at hand, or at least this little branch of it.

Re:Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual? by acqq on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @12:52PM (#11168660)
Compared with other touched topics here like "saddlebacking," (to which, surprisingly, you've posted a link to a song!?) I find this one very constructive.

My comment here involves destroyed genitals of humans by humans, certainly not a reason to be a happy human if you are among the affected, and it's hundreds of millions of them.

And it is in the branch of discussion of animals destroying their genitals as the necessary condition for reproduction. Consider that the partial destruction of genitals is also effectively necessary condition for reproduction if you are unlucky enough to be born there and female.

Re:Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual? by kbenson on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @01:22PM (#11168914)
Saddlebagging is about adopting sexual practices adopted specifically to prevent procreation, so relevant in multiple branches of the conversation. The song establishes cultural relevance, as well as being somewhat entertaining (in my opinion).

What I thought made it non-relevant is that FGM is cultural, not genetic or a species wide aspect of our psychology (regardless of whether it affects millions). Additionally,I don't think you made a good case as to why being born as a species that has to contend with bad conditions (but I don't believe worse than the alternative) isn't preferable to being born a species that has to contend with death at every attempted mating.

In short, it felt a bit like you used FGM for impact due to it's status in our culture, not for it's relevance to the discussion at hand. It's possible I'm not seeing a connection you thought was implied there though, so feel free to expand if you feel like it.

Re:Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual? by acqq on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @02:58PM (#11169713)
> Saddlebagging is about adopting sexual practices adopted specifically to prevent procreation

On that level it's not different from any kind of contraception, also widely done in humanity, so not really insightful there. It's interesting to me only because it's a religious "trick," a way to do something what is formally not forbidden. Like

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/once-u...

"Once Upon A Time, The Catholic Church Decided That Beavers Were Fish"

...in order to eat their meat at the times of fasting. The rest of the article has more examples.