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Re:Why I don't want stuff by danans on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @01:23PM (#11161034)
In my neighborhood we all borrow each others gear, whether it's home improvement stuff, or occasionally used outdoor sports gear. Any startup in this space would have to establish the "trust" feature of a sharing community, which is a feature that a friendly neighborhood has built-in.

You might be on to something if you find an easy way for people to publish their inventory of stuff to a trusted group of neighbors, maybe with a smartphone app to take pics of the gear? That way you leverage the trust that already exists, and just make the publishing and discovery process easier.

We use Nextdoor and our street's email mailing list for this all the time.

EDIT: Nextdoor and email lists only provide the in-group communication solution, not the inventory solution. It would be interesting to see an inventory solution that worked with a variety of communication services.

Re:Why I don't want stuff by shalmanese on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @10:06PM (#11164251)
Apart from all the other issues mentioned in this thread, one of the issues that stymies products like this is the asymmetric nature of delivery networks. From a user experience perspective, it's a lot easier to deliver something TO a person's house than it is to deliver something FROM a person's house. After your first attempt trying to return a tool, you become discouraged from ever trying again.

But you know what, we actually have a highly efficient system for transporting packages from people's houses, it's called the trash and recycling network. I wonder if there's an opportunity there to leverage this network... Imagine if returning something was as easy as wrapping it in a special plastic bag and then throwing it in your recycle bin. On the truck, special sensors would detect the presence of the bag and shunt it to a separate storage area of the truck and, from the depot, it would be placed in the conventional mail stream and sent to where it needed to be.

Probably crazy unworkable but fun to think about :).

Re:Why I don't want stuff by ycmbntrthrwaway on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @01:36PM (#11161125)
Instead of trust, it may be possible to rent stuff in usual way by leaving a deposit and paying per hour for using someone else's tool.
Re:Why I don't want stuff by eitally on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @01:45PM (#11161211)
And there are plenty of companies all over the world who operate profitably renting tools & equipment to homeowners.
Re:Why I don't want stuff by Grishnakh on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @04:30PM (#11162498)
Yeah, and the stuff they rent is probably mostly old junk and beat to hell because renters don't take care of stuff. It's probably a lot cheaper to just go to Harbor Freight and buy a tool there than to rent something.
Re:Why I don't want stuff by jessaustin on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @05:07PM (#11162742)
This really varies. On numerous occasions, I've gone to the rental place, taken one look at the machine, and then immediately left said rental place. Once, I had to wait for the dude to take the brand-new backpack leaf blower out of the box and pour in the first bottle of oil. I had no problem waiting that time. It's always a good idea to have the dude start the motor before you load up.

Harbor Freight is great for hand tools you'll use occasionally, or power tools you'll use rarely. There's a reason people who use those tools for a living shop elsewhere.

Re:Why I don't want stuff by Grishnakh on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:15PM (#11164530)
The last mechanic I talked to said Snap-On tools had become overpriced junk, and Harbor Freight tools were a much better value. This is for hand tools, mind you. All the hand tools I've gotten from HF in the past few years have been excellent, better than anything I ever got from Craftsman (except torque wrenches; I haven't tried HF's, and my old Craftsman torque wrenches are excellent).

Yeah, if I were a professional, I wouldn't use HF power tools either. But we're talking about DIYers here, not pros. And even good-quality name-brand tools from Lowe's/HD are a better value than renting.

The only place I can see where renting a tool makes sense is for something pretty large, that costs at least $500. For instance, a ditch digger is something I would rent, not buy: it's big, needs maintenance, and probably costs several thousand dollars new. And it's not something I'd need to use much, probably only once. But power tool that costs $80? Just buy it. I'll come out way ahead buying it, using it, and then reselling it on Craigslist than renting it.

Re:Why I don't want stuff by jessaustin on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @04:47PM (#11170502)
I've never used a Snap-On tool; that always seemed like a scam. I have an HF torque wrench that's got to be 10yo by now. It still works, but I don't really ask much of it. Bicycle stuff, usually, with an occasional top-mounted oil filter on a diesel engine (the latter only because everything is plastic now, and one wants neither to break something nor to have oil dripping all over; in the days of steel I would have just gripped a short wrench halfway off the axis and pulled hard). If I were rebuilding transmissions I'd have a good torque wrench. I've broken enough wrenches that I can pretty much tell when it's going to happen, and now I stop before that point. For that reason, it's probably true that an HF wrench is at least 90% as useful as any other. I have yet to really pull on an HF wrench that I would call "excellent", however. Various hammers and chisels I've purchased have all lost their shape after just a bit of hard use.

I have HF power tools, but there's something slightly off about each of them, whether that's a flimsy plastic body, a saw blade arbor that moves around, or whatever. I don't use any of them on even a monthly basis. If I did, I would upgrade. Everything my brother has borrowed for a job has quickly failed. He doesn't buy much at Harbor Freight.

I have a Craftsman cordless drill that has lasted forever; it predates the tiny b&w Makita drills all the contractors have been using for years now. Since the battery is old-fashioned dry cell rather than lithium, I just took it to Ellis Battery for a rebuild when it failed.

Re:Why I don't want stuff by Grishnakh on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @06:13PM (#11171014)
>I have yet to really pull on an HF wrench that I would call "excellent", however. Various hammers and chisels I've purchased have all lost their shape after just a bit of hard use.

The HF socket wrenches and sockets I've used have been at least as good as any Craftsman competitor, even from over 20 years ago.

However, for chisels, if you're talking about for woodworking, that's something I doubt I would buy from HF. For proper woodworking, chisels have to be incredibly sharp and hold an edge, and that requires high-quality steel. I guess if you're just installing some door latch plates a HF chisel might be OK though, but I'd get something nice for doing any serious woodworking because having really sharp chisels is critical for quality work.

Re:Why I don't want stuff by danans on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @02:21PM (#11161541)
For communities that prefer municipally provided services, Tool-Lending libraries are a great option: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tool-lending_libraries
Re:Why I don't want stuff by 8note on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @02:35PM (#11161637)
a friend of mine is working on a company like that.

http://sharesy.co

Re:Why I don't want stuff by candu on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @02:50PM (#11161741)
This. We don't need a slew of startups to solve this problem; it's called talking, and it can be done via any of several existing {meat,cyber}space communications channels.

(I'm hardly a Luddite; rather, I think there's a lack of appreciation for basic interpersonal communication as a powerful technology in its own right.)

I don't remember where, but in recent memory I saw an article about an apartment building where residents would mark their doors with icons representing appliances/tools they were willing to share - a simple solution for an easily solved problem. (See also: rideshare boards on campuses, bulletin boards and flyers in local shops, local community centers, etc.)

Re:Why I don't want stuff by mahyarm on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @03:13PM (#11161910)
Talking & organizing has it's own costs. Something like uber or airbnb could theoretically be done by talking and coordinating, but the organizing software that makes it seamless makes it something ubiquitous.
Re:Why I don't want stuff by guptaneil on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @02:40PM (#11161672)
Coworkers might be another good trust network to build off of. It also has the benefit of you essentially being required to know your coworkers, while you aren't guaranteed to know your neighbors.
Re:Why I don't want stuff by wavefunction on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @03:14PM (#11161919)
Let me encourage you and anyone else reading this comment to get to know your neighbors, if possible.
Re:Why I don't want stuff by spydum on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @05:56PM (#11163036)
Seriously, this. I can't tell you how many folks I know who have never met their neighbors, don't even know their names. That is so strange to me, I am not especially social, but I know quite well all neighbors in both directions for at least 3 houses. I can say this sort of thing comes in handy in the event of any emergency (you both know who to trust and who to avoid..)
Re:Why I don't want stuff by nsxwolf on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @04:18PM (#11162417)
This model isn't great for a lot of things. Snow blowers and lawn mowers, for instance - they will break down at least once a season once you cross a threshold (single digit) of users.