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Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by aembleton on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:48PM (#11141293)
Membership of the EU requires you to sign up to the ECHR, but countries outside of the EU are also members of the ECHR. We can continue to be part of the ECHR without being inside the EU.

By leaving the EU, all our existing legislation that has been enacted will stay. It just means that our elected government will have the power to remove legislation without getting permission from unelected commissioners.

Under the Lisbon treaty, we will continue to be members of the EU for two years following a vote to leave. I expect if we vote to leave, there will be another referendum in 2017 after the EU has had some serious introspection about the democratic deficit. I would expect them to try to keep the UK as a member.

Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by antillean on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:53PM (#11141324)
Gove's statement today -- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-... -- sounds to me like he'd also like the UK to leave the ECHR.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by TazeTSchnitzel on Saturday February 20, 2016 @02:03PM (#11141381)
Does it say that? I'll admit to have only Ctrl-F'd and not read it, but I see references to the ECJ in Strasbourg, which is an EU institution, not to the ECHR.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by antillean on Saturday February 20, 2016 @02:08PM (#11141407)
Ah, yeah, you're right. My bad.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by Silhouette on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:52PM (#11141319)
I expect if we vote to leave, there will be another referendum in 2017 after the EU has had some serious introspection about the democratic deficit. I would expect them to try to keep the UK as a member.

In the news yesterday, before the deal was announced, there was talk of incorporating a specific guarantee that any decision this time would be final, and the EU would not then come back to the UK offering an improved deal later, precisely because of the issue you raised there.

Any mention of that has been notably absent in every news report I've seen so far today. Does anyone know what happened there?

Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by aembleton on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:58PM (#11141354)
If the EU make significant changes in the next year, I think another referendum would be a healthy thing. Especially if this one is close. This is a very significant decision and whilst I'm for leaving; I'd rather be a member of a pared down EU that concentrated on free trade and less on bureaucracy and the creation of legislation.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by Silhouette on Saturday February 20, 2016 @02:06PM (#11141399)
It sounds like we'd broadly agree on the politics. I tend to favour the UK being part of what the EU could be, but I'm much less sure about remaining part of what the EU actually is and what some of the other member states apparently want it to be in the future. As always, I'll choose how to vote at each election on its own merits, and I'll certainly watch how the situation develops over the next few months before making a final decision on this one.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by TazeTSchnitzel on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:50PM (#11141312)
> Membership of the EU requires you to sign up to the ECHR, but countries outside of the EU are also members of the ECHR. We can continue to be part of the ECHR without being inside the EU.

Oh I am well aware. I am referring to the Conservatives' manifesto promise to repeal the Human Rights Act, which so far has been kicked into the long grass due to opposition and infeasibility. But since the ECHR is a European thing, EU or no, I think it will inevitably be brought up again with the referendum.

(Side note: The EU is actually trying to join the ECHR as member in itself. Wondering when that process will be finished.)

> By leaving the EU, all our existing legislation that has been enacted will stay.

Sure, most of it, but what of it? We nonetheless lose participation in the Single Market etc.