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Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by TazeTSchnitzel on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:40PM (#11141263)
This is going to have wide-reaching consequences no matter what way it goes. Off the top of my head, potential issues include:

* Combined with the sovereign debt crisis and the migrant crisis, this could be the end of the EU (perhaps unlikely, but)

* The UK leaving the EU with the Republic of Ireland staying in (there's little support for RoI leaving) could create problems in Northern Ireland

* The UK voting to leave the EU, with Scotland having voted to stay, could lead to another Scottish independence referendum

* The UK voting to stay in the EU, with England having voted to leave, might (though I don't know how likely it is) upset people in England

* Whatever way the result goes, it might bring down the current UK Government and force elections

* If the UK leaves, other countries might consider it as well

* If the UK stays, other countries might want to renegotiate their terms as well

* This will bring up the European Convention on/Court of Human Rights, and Human Rights Act, issue again - what happens if the UK actually does leave the ECHR or repeal the HRA? Especially in Northern Ireland, where the HRA is part of the Good Friday Agreement, and in Scotland, where laws must comply with the ECHR

I'm not an expert on any of this. It'll be interesting to see what happens, certainly.

Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by aembleton on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:48PM (#11141293)
Membership of the EU requires you to sign up to the ECHR, but countries outside of the EU are also members of the ECHR. We can continue to be part of the ECHR without being inside the EU.

By leaving the EU, all our existing legislation that has been enacted will stay. It just means that our elected government will have the power to remove legislation without getting permission from unelected commissioners.

Under the Lisbon treaty, we will continue to be members of the EU for two years following a vote to leave. I expect if we vote to leave, there will be another referendum in 2017 after the EU has had some serious introspection about the democratic deficit. I would expect them to try to keep the UK as a member.

Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by antillean on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:53PM (#11141324)
Gove's statement today -- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-... -- sounds to me like he'd also like the UK to leave the ECHR.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by TazeTSchnitzel on Saturday February 20, 2016 @02:03PM (#11141381)
Does it say that? I'll admit to have only Ctrl-F'd and not read it, but I see references to the ECJ in Strasbourg, which is an EU institution, not to the ECHR.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by antillean on Saturday February 20, 2016 @02:08PM (#11141407)
Ah, yeah, you're right. My bad.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by Silhouette on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:52PM (#11141319)
I expect if we vote to leave, there will be another referendum in 2017 after the EU has had some serious introspection about the democratic deficit. I would expect them to try to keep the UK as a member.

In the news yesterday, before the deal was announced, there was talk of incorporating a specific guarantee that any decision this time would be final, and the EU would not then come back to the UK offering an improved deal later, precisely because of the issue you raised there.

Any mention of that has been notably absent in every news report I've seen so far today. Does anyone know what happened there?

Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by aembleton on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:58PM (#11141354)
If the EU make significant changes in the next year, I think another referendum would be a healthy thing. Especially if this one is close. This is a very significant decision and whilst I'm for leaving; I'd rather be a member of a pared down EU that concentrated on free trade and less on bureaucracy and the creation of legislation.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by Silhouette on Saturday February 20, 2016 @02:06PM (#11141399)
It sounds like we'd broadly agree on the politics. I tend to favour the UK being part of what the EU could be, but I'm much less sure about remaining part of what the EU actually is and what some of the other member states apparently want it to be in the future. As always, I'll choose how to vote at each election on its own merits, and I'll certainly watch how the situation develops over the next few months before making a final decision on this one.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by TazeTSchnitzel on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:50PM (#11141312)
> Membership of the EU requires you to sign up to the ECHR, but countries outside of the EU are also members of the ECHR. We can continue to be part of the ECHR without being inside the EU.

Oh I am well aware. I am referring to the Conservatives' manifesto promise to repeal the Human Rights Act, which so far has been kicked into the long grass due to opposition and infeasibility. But since the ECHR is a European thing, EU or no, I think it will inevitably be brought up again with the referendum.

(Side note: The EU is actually trying to join the ECHR as member in itself. Wondering when that process will be finished.)

> By leaving the EU, all our existing legislation that has been enacted will stay.

Sure, most of it, but what of it? We nonetheless lose participation in the Single Market etc.

Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by s_kilk on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:48PM (#11141299)
Certainly an interesting time to be alive. A part of me thinks we (the rest of the U.K.) should just jettison England and be done with it. They're dragging the rest of us down.

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Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by Silhouette on Saturday February 20, 2016 @02:01PM (#11141376)
They're dragging the rest of us down.

By being a net importer from the EU in trade terms, a net contributor in EU budget terms, and having net immigration from the EU? Or by not fully participating in the ever-closer political union and the Eurozone, neither of which has exactly been a huge success in recent years?

This is a complicated issue with several reasonable arguments both for the UK remaining and for the UK leaving. There is a fundamental underlying tension because the UK simply has different priorities in some areas than its European neighbours, such that while no party is inherently right or wrong, not everyone's goals are aligned.

Still, the idea that England is just dragging everyone else down is silly. That's why most of the other EU leaders have been trying, with varying degrees of subtlety, to encourage the UK to stay.