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Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by StavrosK on Thursday February 18, 2016 @09:50AM (#11126087)
The GP didn't say the letter meant it that way, he said the letter is right in that there shouldn't be homeless people living in the streets, they should be taken care of by a stronger safety net.
Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by bonaldi on Thursday February 18, 2016 @10:11AM (#11126259)
I'm going to be pedantic, but only because I think that's how the letter guy is going to try and get out of this too. The letter did not say that "there shouldn't be homeless people living in the streets".

Both it and GP said he shouldn't have to see homeless people. The letter writer certainly wouldn't care if the homeless people were still homeless, so long as they were bussed somewhere he didn't have to gaze upon their poor faces.

Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by ktRolster on Thursday February 18, 2016 @10:42AM (#11126508)

   > so long as they were bussed somewhere he didn't have to gaze upon their poor faces.

Lucky him, San Francisco offers one way bus tickets to anywhere for homeless people: http://www.ibtimes.com/homeless-bus-ticket-programs-across-n...
Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by curun1r on Thursday February 18, 2016 @11:51AM (#11127085)
If you read your article, SF only offers tickets to people to return home. They're not trying to get rid of people who grew up here. This speaks to how much of SF's homeless problem stems from being a homeless destination. If you're homeless in a part of the country that is less accommodating, both politically and climatically, you come to SF. Based on your article, it seems that a lot of places will even buy you the bus ticket.

This issue reminds me of the refugee problems happening recently in Europe. The problem was refugees trying to get into Europe and should've been the responsibility of the entire EU to solve. But the problem was felt most acutely in the Greek islands where refugees were showing up. And when an national/continental issue is felt primarily by a single, smaller region, it's highly problematic.

As a thought experiment, what would happen if SF started sheltering the homeless and ensuring that all their needs were met. Well, suddenly those bus tickets bought by cities around the country become a lot more effective and more cities around the country start buying them. It's even the moral thing for social workers to do, since the political climate in their city means that it's better for the person being bussed out to go to SF. It becomes a tragedy of the commons situation where the disincentive for doing the right thing is that you get to deal with the problems from the places that do the wrong thing. A homeless person going elsewhere is a living externality.

This is a national problem (probably international, though deportation is considered entirely acceptable in that situation) and needs to be treated as such. If the Federal government doesn't want to deal with the problem, it could pass a law that allows the city that provides services to a homeless person to bill the cost to the homeless person's home city. Suddenly that bus ticket wouldn't seem like the cheapest option and SF could provide all the services necessary to solve its own homeless problem. Until then, the situation will remain fucked. SF is too liberal to be take a GTFO stance and too poor to comprehensively solve the problem for all the homeless that are there now and would show up if they started such a program.

Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by ktRolster on Thursday February 18, 2016 @12:36PM (#11127572)

  > If you read your article, SF only offers tickets to people to return home.
They offer tickets if someone will take care of the homeless person. In practice, we see homeless refugees from San Francisco showing up in Turlock and Modesto, given free tickets, and still being homeless just in a different place.
Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by wpietri on Thursday February 18, 2016 @11:47AM (#11127048)
Your summary is flatly incorrect.

A lot of SF's homeless are from elsewhere, people who came here on a hope, or just because of SF's reputation as a city that's friendly to weirdos. (That's certainly part of why I came.)

If they can't make it here, SF offers them a way to get home again, but only if there is actually someone there who can put them up, and only if they're in good enough condition to travel. Details are here:

http://www.sfhsa.org/79.htm

That is distinctly different from places that dump their homeless residents here. E.g.:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-Nevada-reach-tenta...

Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by StavrosK on Thursday February 18, 2016 @10:25AM (#11126376)
Or if he went blind!