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Re:Horses recognise human emotions by Animats on Saturday February 13, 2016 @11:59PM (#11097193)
Of course horses can recognize some human emotions. Most humans, even ones who handle horses, can't read horse emotions well.

Horses are quite expressive, but their body language is alien. Horse facial expressions exist, but involve very quick eye movements, something discovered only about twenty years ago. Most of the bigger horse expressions are in ears, lips, tail, and carriage.

If horses don't get feedback from their humans indicating some understanding on the human side, they often stop trying to communicate. To learn how horses communicate, watch them in an open field for long periods. There are frequent subtle dominance displays. Not kicking, or even ears pinned back; often it's just slightly narrowed eyes and an eye-flick, and one horse will yield space to another. If a horse does that to you, putting hands on hips and giving the horse a hard stare says that you got the message and aren't backing down. Most horses get this. It's a compromise between horse body language and human body language; a pidgin, if you will. Horses recognize eye contact. You're much less likely to be bitten, even by a hostile horse, if you're looking at the horse's eye and they're looking at you.

It's quite possible to "speak horse" that way. "Talking with Horses", by Henry Blake, is useful.

Whether or not a horse understands human to human expressions depends on how much experience they have with humans. It's a second language for horses, after all. Horses that live in herd situations deal mostly with other horses, and may not be that attuned to humans. Ones in stall situations tend to be more people-oriented, by necessity. The parent article was about horses that deal with lots of different people, so they're likely to have figured out human expressions.

Re:Horses recognise human emotions by MPSimmons on Saturday February 13, 2016 @10:13PM (#11096975)
That would make them the second animal known to do this. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/150212-dogs-...)

Probably not a coincidence that they're also one of the relatively few domesticated animals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_domesticated_animals).

Re:Horses recognise human emotions by mrob on Saturday February 13, 2016 @11:34PM (#11097148)
For a long time I thought of horses as basically cows you can ride. Then I saw a video of a horse playing with a giant ball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emxI-nRGWBE

It's acting more like a dog than a cow. And there are many other videos of horses playing and doing tricks like dogs can. My opinion of horses greatly improved. Thinking about it, I shouldn't have found it surprising. Horses are herd/pack animals like dogs, so they naturally have social skills, and despite being herbivores they are still mammals, so their body language is at least somewhat similar to humans. And also like dogs, horses have been domesticated to work closely with humans. Most other domesticated animals are either solitary, or not required to work directly with humans. I think any domesticated mammal with both those properties will likely read human emotions. Even though the dog has the advantage of being a carnivore so it is more similar to humans, and being required to work more independently than the horse, putting more selection pressure on its communication skills, the horse still far exceeds popular animals like the cat in its ability to communicate with humans. If the dog is "man's best friend", I think the horse can be "man's second best friend".

Re:Horses recognise human emotions by Animats on Sunday February 14, 2016 @03:09AM (#11097559)
Horses have a moderately wide intelligence range. At the low end, they're down around the cow level. At the high end, they're well into the dog range.

The hot-blooded breeds (Arabs and Thoroughbreds) seem to be smarter, but that may be because they're more active and more likely to initiate activity.

Re:Horses recognise human emotions by jjtheblunt on Saturday February 13, 2016 @11:55PM (#11097184)
There are plenty of videos of cows also playing with balls and with others. Not kidding. Look for The Gentle Barn and Dudley the cow, for one example.
Re:Horses recognise human emotions by mrob on Sunday February 14, 2016 @12:03AM (#11097204)
Dudley looks a little smarter and more active than cows I see locally, but not nearly as much as a horse. Most of his "playing" looks more like scratching/rubbing type behavior, the same as you see with motorized cow brushes.
Re:Horses recognise human emotions by PerfectElement on Sunday February 14, 2016 @03:49AM (#11097622)
Don't say that! How are we supposed to enjoy our burgers now?
Re:Horses recognise human emotions by finishingmove on Sunday February 14, 2016 @03:56AM (#11097633)
My completely unscientific opinion, coming from my own observations, is that animals are generally much more emphatic than we give them credit for.
Re:Horses recognise human emotions by klibertp on Sunday February 14, 2016 @06:00AM (#11097824)
> animals are generally much more emphatic than we give them credit for.

They're also frequently much more emphatic than people I mostly work with as a programmer. ;-)

No, really: I own two cats now, and I grew up with dogs, cats, horses and goats around and it led me to believe that animals generally do dream, do have emotions and are generally able to understand or feel emotions of others. They also do think, they do try to predict the future, and they do learn on their own, sometimes frighteningly quickly.

But it's convenient to believe otherwise and even people who should know better tend to forget about it during the meals. Just try to imagine how eating a burger would feel with a thought like: "ok, now I'm eating something that was smarter and more emotional than my 2yo niece".

Re:Horses recognise human emotions by veddox on Sunday February 14, 2016 @08:14AM (#11098135)
As a biology student I can tell you that you are most likely correct :-)

Behavioural studies in animals are a fascinating field. I can't back it up with citations right now, but I'm pretty sure horses and dogs are not the only animals to read human facial expressions. Chimps, cats, parrots - you name it - if it's been in close contact with humans for any length of time, I wouldn't be surprised if it learnt how to read our emotions.

Re:Horses recognise human emotions by codezero on Saturday February 13, 2016 @11:46PM (#11097170)
For some interesting history on animal behavior check this out. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans
Re:Horses recognise human emotions by dmckeon on Sunday February 14, 2016 @01:53AM (#11097420)
"One person presents the photo while another holds the horse,"

Indeed. One wonders if the person holding the horse and the person presenting the face photos could see if the photo was of an angry or other face.

Re:Horses recognise human emotions by Phemist on Sunday February 14, 2016 @05:08AM (#11097750)
From the article:

    Experimenters were blind to the stimulus
    in 82% of trials and analyses showed no 
    difference in subject responses according
    to this factor (see the electronic supplementary
    material tables SII and SIII).
So, it didn't even matter. Pretty much everyone that would be doing research of this sort is familiar with Clever Hans, so I'm sure they'd be extra careful when designing their experiment.
Re:Horses recognise human emotions by bcg1 on Saturday February 13, 2016 @11:53PM (#11097181)
This study should be expanded to include wild horses. Also if they could somehow measure "positive" reactions that would be interesting.

Domesticated horses are generally trained through fear; it is not surprising they react to angry faces. So it might also be interesting to conduct this same test on horses trained only with positive reinforcement techniques.

Re:Horses recognise human emotions by qjighap on Sunday February 14, 2016 @10:44AM (#11098647)
I live in a rural community. I have had many friends and family work with our local light-horse association. I would really appreciate you localizing that comment about trained through fear and reporting it to your local equestrian society. I apologize if you are not from North America and part of a country that allows you do so.
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Re:Horses recognise human emotions by dang on Sunday February 14, 2016 @02:12AM (#11097458)
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11097193 and marked it off-topic.
Re:Horses recognise human emotions by Mouq on Sunday February 14, 2016 @01:38AM (#11097392)
You realize that the idea of consciousness separate from the body is extremely popular in Western traditions as well? Much Christian theology, for example, is pretty fundamentally reliant on the idea of the soul.