Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage?

Posted by jahitr on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @04:18PM
from the ask-hn dept.

Hi all..

I'm an engineer for a large software company.

Lately I was promoted to "not a developer neither a team lead".

They hired someone else to lead the team I'm in. Someone that is clearly lagging behind me in technical aspects.

Now, what is really bothering me is that my lead and the people on top of her are keeping me at the shadows. They don't invite me on meetings. The fuckers don't even eat with me.

So, What about trying to win this game with the help of technology?

What about setting up a spy mic on all of the conferences room sending all the sound via gsm, wifi or something else?

I'm probably not going to be one step ahead but the game is going to be more balanced.

What do you guys think about it? Anyone did this?

Thanks.

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by kafkaesq on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @04:48PM (#11076332)

Take a step back, man. This is a very dark, negative path you're contemplating. It doesn't make you a bad person to have these kinds of thoughts (it's part of our neurobiology, basically). But please don't act on them.

Rather, accept the fact that you're basically being blackballed (look up the term if you're not familiar with it), and that these are the preliminary signs that you're about to be fired.

Whether you deserve it (or even partially deserve it) or not doesn't matter (very much) at this stage. These things happen. What does matter is that you accept the rejection gracefully rather than look for ways to fight against it. Which (if they're of the form you're contemplating) might very well backfire.

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by rtl49 on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @04:35PM (#11076237)

While this is indeed the most rational and emotionally intelligent course of action in the wake of your recent professional disappointment, have you accounted for the possibility that you're too stupid to pull it off?

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by jahitr on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @06:23PM (#11077027)

Yes. I always compare the size of the challenge with my own capabilities. This is one of the methods that lead me to take action or not.

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @09:02PM (#11077767)

Um, I'm pretty sure that rtl49 was being sarcastic when saying, "While this is indeed the most rational and emotionally intelligent course of action in the wake of your recent professional disappointment..."

That is: It is most emphatically not either a rational nor an emotionally intelligent course of action.

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by jahitr on Thursday February 11, 2016 @11:45AM (#11081237)

Then. the rest of the setence, doesn't makes much sense to me.

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @04:43PM (#11076292)

You're going to bug your workplace? Are you trying to get fired? Why not just quit?

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by jahitr on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @06:28PM (#11077064)

Yes.

No, I'm trying to get intel on my bosses, and in the company future course of action.

I don't like to quit things.

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @07:01PM (#11077221)

If you get caught, you're fired. You also are unemployable, and for good reason.

And that good reason should tell you, don't do it. Instead, knock off the Machiavellian spy games, and try to change whatever inside you makes you think this is even a remotely acceptable course of action.

Even if you wind up losing this job, don't do it. There are other jobs. But what you're proposing is a career-destroying move.

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by davelnewton on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @05:07PM (#11076476)

Sure, why not; it's not like it's illegal and unethical or anything. Go nuts.

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by jahitr on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @06:23PM (#11077031)

Haha. I like your style.

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by DrScump on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @05:30PM (#11076661)

Have they taken your stapler yet?

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Re:Ask HN: Should I do industrial espionage? by jahitr on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @06:31PM (#11077075)

Yes. But isn't a stapler.

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