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Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by NicoJuicy on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:43PM (#11061476)
Full stack developer here on Windows, not everything maxed out.

Payed 550€ for my laptop ( 8 gb, ..) 2 years ago, everything is still working fine and it's still enough ( Visual Studio is supposed to be a "heavy" program). = 23 € / month till now and still dropping... And it's hardly game over with my laptop. When i'm at 3 years, it will cost me about 15,2 € / month.

I'll probably use it for longer. But let's say i don't have any costs and sell the laptop for 150 €, that makes it 11,2 € / month.

PS. No repairs required untill date

Edit: You can install Linux on it too or dualboot it ( i did this a long time, but didn't feel the need for it now)

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by threeseed on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:48PM (#11061510)
That's great if you're a Windows developer. If you aren't then congratulations your performance is cripped as you have to run everything inside a Linux VM. There are just too many open source projects that stupidly hard core path seperators or rely on UNIX binaries.

Microsoft would really do well supporting a truly great UNIX layer.

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by toomuchtodo on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:49PM (#11061518)
> There are just too many open source projects that stupidly hard core path seperators or rely on UNIX binaries.

I wouldn't say stupidly. Open source projects just don't prioritize Windows development.

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by tluyben2 on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:58PM (#11061580)
I recently bought a Thinkpad to try if another platform would work. I first ran Windows 10 and found it unworkable and then installed Ubuntu, did some battery tweaking. It is great; have not touched my Mac since. Especially long battery life, swappable batteries and, for my taste, a better keyboard next to more ports is just better over all for my (full stack) dev.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by criddell on Monday February 08, 2016 @10:36PM (#11062889)
How did you get great battery life from Ubuntu? I've never been able to get anything close to the runtime I get on OSX. In my experience, OSX gives me the longest batter life, second is Windows and any flavor of Linux is terrible (maybe 3-4 hours on a machine that Windows gives 5-6 hours).
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by tluyben2 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @04:14AM (#11064106)
I get 16 hours under my Lenovo with ubuntu with tlp default settings. I have to be careful a bit with browsers (they use most in my workflow) but usually I just use lynx for programming searches. OS X on my MBP is ghastly: Apple replaced the battery and I use the same software as under Ubuntu but I struggle to get 3 hrs. On my Air it was wonderful. Windows I have not used for anything serious in 20 years.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by corford on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:23PM (#11061754)
True you need a VM but performance doesn't have to be crippled. My out of office/at home machine is a Dell Inspiron 5558 (Core i7, 16GB RAM). I stuck an intel 256GB SSD in it, took the free upgrade to Windows 10 and do all my dev work in a few Virtualbox VMs (leaning heavily on mRemoteNG for lots of tabbed PuTTy instances!).

Total cost (including the Intel SSD) was £726 or $1049 at today's rate (exc. VAT). So didn't cost a bomb and gives me a lightening fast machine, windows for desktop duties, debian for dev, a 1920x1080 display, easily replaceable battery/ram/disk and no issue driving multiple monitors.

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by swah on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @11:28AM (#11073793)
I also think Windows + Putty is better than Desktop Linux. I'm actually going to sell the Mac (can't get used to shortcuts, don't have money to an upgrade here in Brazil) and buy a Windows PC + Intel NUC for HTPC + Linux box.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by pyre on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:26PM (#11061782)
> projects that stupidly hard core path seperators

It's also stupid to assume that your application will work seamlessly between Windows and Unix-like systems just by making sure that the path separators are OS-agnostic.

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by tracker1 on Monday February 08, 2016 @07:25PM (#11062067)
Most of the windows APIs support unix-style path separators, I actually get annoyed when I see separator injection needlessly... the bigger differences are default system paths and environment variables as such. (Also, windows-style "drive" letters" of course).
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by NicoJuicy on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:51PM (#11061531)
You have some point there, but a lot seems to work fine. The hardest problem i had was with a x64 binary for SQLLite ( Ruby On Rails), which i couldn't fix. Cygwin would be a recommender for anyone using Windows and programming languages other then .Net.

And once you know how the C++ compilation works with VC++, the problems are minimized. ( i mostly come this accross with Python)

It isn't a hassle free road though

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by snuxoll on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:15PM (#11061700)
This is why most of my *nix work is done on my server at home (since I work from home). PyCharm pretty handily supports remote Python installations, so I can just use my work-supplied Windows laptop to type the code and have it run on a VM in the other room (or across the country if they insisted I use one in the datacenter).
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by toomuchtodo on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:45PM (#11061487)
Can you run Docker on Windows yet? We're a Docker/Python/Go stack.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by Nullabillity on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:15PM (#11061698)
About as well as on Mac OS X.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by NicoJuicy on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:45PM (#11061489)
I can on my Raspberry Pi 2, but Docker should run: https://docs.docker.com/engine/installation/windows/

Edit:. The Pi is just for experimenting, no GUI required ;)

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by radicalbyte on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:07PM (#11061639)
You can run it in a virtual box VM and ssh in. Works fine, at least as long as you have lots of RAM & a fast HDD. It does suck battery though.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by zurn on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @01:20PM (#11067427)
Docker is Linux-only :)

There are tools like docker-machine facilitate running Docker under Linux VMs non-Linux platforms though.