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Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by Someone1234 on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:35PM (#11061399)
> (comes out to be ~$60/month)

Even phased like that that is a lot of money.

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by toomuchtodo on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:38PM (#11061417)
Not for a tool contributing towards six figures of income for me annually. That's an insane ROI.

EDIT: I know people who spend more than that on Starbucks each month.

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by NicoJuicy on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:12PM (#11061681)
That's not a realistic comparison... My acculated sum of every webapplication i use is (outside of my business ofc):

- 9 € / month ( Google Play Music)

- 3 € / month ( Netflix shared with 3 other people)

- 3€ / month for Google Apps ( actually, this is business... But i also use the mail for private use..)

= 15 € / month.

If i'm not mistaking, you're OS X device costs you 4 times more every month then the sum of every online webservice i use.

( this is another comparison than yours.. Some people just throw out money, others don't :) . Earning a lot of money doesn't automaticly mean you have to waste all of it )

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by bobbles on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:30PM (#11061808)
>If i'm not mistaking, you're OS X device costs you 4 times more every month then the sum of every online webservice i use.

Well.. you need something to run those things on

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by NicoJuicy on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:39PM (#11061856)
Well, my laptop costs 11,5 €/ month on the end of life ( cfr. other post) and i pay my ISP 25 € / month. So i still have less to pay with the sum of my webservices / laptop and ISP together then his 'power horse' :)

Is that any better? ;)

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by st3v3r on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:47PM (#11061894)
No. Your last line completely invalidated any point you might have had.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by douche on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:42PM (#11061464)
Just about everything starts to look cheap when you stack it up next to a daily Starbucks habit...
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by epistasis on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:41PM (#11061457)
Actually, it makes me realize how little money it is. I pay about that much for home internet access, and about that much for a cell phone plan.

It turns out I spend far more on internet access than I do on hardware, and I wouldn't have thought that to be the case.

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by lfowles on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:53PM (#11061545)
And I don't even get that much value out of my home internet access, since I'm at work the majority of the day and anything I absolutely need >50mbps for is already on my local network (Steam streaming, for example). Still, I'd feel even more ripped off paying for 50% of the speed at 80% of the price. Or 10% of the speed at 60% of the price.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by Swizec on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:52PM (#11061543)
Is it? As a software engineer, I leverage those $60/month into $8000+/month.

I think that's more than worth it. Why the hell haven't I bought a backup machine yet just in case this one breaks?

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by toomuchtodo on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:54PM (#11061557)
> I think that's more than worth it. Why the hell haven't I bought a backup machine yet just in case this one breaks?

Because you're leveraging credit in the event of a failure! No need to let equipment languish when you can simply pop into the store!

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by Swizec on Monday February 08, 2016 @05:55PM (#11061571)
Hehe, that's why I don't have a replacement machine yet.

Also because it has so far only died about once every two years. Every time due to human error (spilled things). I can afford a two day outage every two years :)

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by voltagex_ on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:54PM (#11061916)
Christ, you earn 3x / month what I do. What have I done wrong?
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by nostrademons on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @01:11AM (#11063466)
Specialize in something (pick 2/3) new, hot, or rare. Be willing to move. Apply to lots of jobs. Ask for quadruple whatever you think you're worth. Chances are, something will pan out.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by Swizec on Monday February 08, 2016 @07:58PM (#11062246)
Don't worry, I spend half of it on rent.

And mind you that just two years ago, I had the same kind of reaction to that sort of comment. It's not that hard to step up a few pay grades as an engineer these days.

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by collyw on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @10:34AM (#11065923)
And you couldn't possibly do that on a Linux / Windows laptop?
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by Swizec on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @11:29AM (#11066418)
It's irrelevant. A top of the line laptop that's reliable costs about $3k regardless of manufacturer. At least last time I checked.

And no, not on Windows because in my experience it's the most terrible system for developers. Might've improved in the last 15 years.

And no, not on linux. In my experience it requires constant tinkering with the system. According to my friends still on linux, this hasn't changed in the last 3 years.

So yeah, I guess only mac is left. Which often still requires too much tinkering, but feels like less than linux. And I honestly haven't used windows in earnest in 15 years so hard to say.

Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by collyw on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @02:02PM (#11067774)
Rubbish. It make take a little more tweaking to get set up, but once its done it Linux distros don't require constant tinkering these days.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by marincounty on Monday February 08, 2016 @06:37PM (#11061845)
I would try to save some of that 8k+/month. I hope things stay good.
Re:Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software by Swizec on Monday February 08, 2016 @07:57PM (#11062244)
It's unlikely that you'd have to buy a new laptop every month though.

Then again, it's cheaper than a month of rent for a 1-bedroom in this damn city (San Francisco).