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Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by bsg75 on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:17PM (#11042855)
I run a small one, with little effort other than what comes along with Windows - its our only Windows based system.

I would be interesting to know what the problems you have faced are.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by click170 on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:42PM (#11043082)
My experiences are very different.

Many Linux services have a concept of reloading. If the config file changes you can send the running program a signal and it will re read the config. This is very useful for production systems.

Tableau (9 at least) has no such concept.

Change the email address it reports to? Restart tableau.

Change the location of the SSL certificates? Restart tableau.

Want to apply an update for tableau? Uninstall your current version and install the new one. Oh and until recently when you downloaded the installer for tableau server the file name didn't actually contain the version number.

This product was not designed with ops in mind at all.

Edit: I forgot, I've actually had a tableau server fill itself up with logs. Tableau has logs in many different locations outside of windows event viewer and doesn't include log rotation facilities for all if them.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by radicalbyte on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:50PM (#11043164)
That sounds like most Enterprise software.

It's like that because R&D and Operations never talk; and of course your average Windows Ops person has a poor understanding of operating systems.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by bsg75 on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:42PM (#11044038)
Those things are indeed a pain with Tableau, and also common with a lot of Windows based applications.

Never understood why Tableau is either Windows only or has the restart to reconfig issue. Last I looked, it was largely a Tomcat and PostgreSQL based product.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by click170 on Friday February 05, 2016 @08:41PM (#11046085)
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Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by Eridrus on Friday February 05, 2016 @04:55PM (#11044937)
What's the actual issue with restarts? Is the downtime due to a restart unacceptable? Is it that users lose application state when a restart happens?

Just trying to understand since I've written software with the same restart to config workflow and would like to understand what causes it to be problematic.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by click170 on Friday February 05, 2016 @10:19PM (#11046383)
If you run tableau in an enterprise environment you will likely have a lot of c level executives, global sales teams and more relying on tableau to be available outside of your local business hours. This means any maintenance needs to be planned and communications sent out to all stakeholders.

If reloading was an option then there wouldn't be downtime, and I wouldn't need to schedule a maintenance window for something as simple as updating an email address. The idea being that if there is a config error during a reload, the system just continues uninterrupted with the original config. If I have to stop the system completely in order to run the config sanity checks when it starts again, the potential for prolonged downtime is much greater.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by Eridrus on Saturday February 06, 2016 @08:12PM (#11050991)
Thanks for that perspective, I hadn't thought of that.

Would a system that did something like an internal cut-over be useful? e.g. try to start a whole new instance of the application, if it loads, then let it become the running application, if not, write an error log and shutdown?

It would still lose all the state associated with the previous instance, e.g. user sessions, but would avoid this specific issue.

I agree that it's pretty silly that things like email addresses need a restart, but I'm wondering in general how bad this pattern is.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by click170 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @11:00PM (#11070675)
That would work IMO, yes.

An interrupted session isn't a big deal if it's an infrequent occurrence and they can just login again.

I think an improved solution in this vein would be a tool that would let you sanity check the config before reloading.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by Florin_Andrei on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:51PM (#11043670)
"tabadmin cleanup" helps a little.

But yeah, this thing is a mess.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by EC1 on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:40PM (#11043064)
I think a better question is what problems they haven't faced.
Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by untog on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:42PM (#11043088)
This is an extremely frustrating thread to follow. We have some people who have run a Tableau server with no issues, and now two people who are effectively saying "oh, it's awful but I have no interest in telling you why".
Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by karmawitch on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:27PM (#11043936)
five people telling in detail horror stories that make every other devop feel the pain? (except those seasoned exchange-experts of course)

did you ever consider there might be valid reasons some folks prefer *nix based servers?

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by untog on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:53PM (#11044122)
five people telling in detail horror stories that make every other devop feel the pain?

Check the timestamps of those messages vs mine. At the time there were only the two responses I mentioned.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by karmawitch on Friday February 05, 2016 @03:22PM (#11044327)
you have a point there
Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by EC1 on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:47PM (#11043129)
I wouldn't even know where to start to be completely honest.
Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by recursive on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:11PM (#11043352)
Thanks for your honesty, but I hope you understand that's completely useless. I might have preferred if you lied.
Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by EC1 on Friday February 05, 2016 @04:33PM (#11044802)
To be completely honest I've never even heard of Tableau.
Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by bsg75 on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:43PM (#11044049)
> I think a better question is what problems they haven't faced.

Deploying visualizations without having to develop any HTML or JavaScript code.

Publishing to the desktop (Windows or Mac), to the web, to the cloud, or mobile devices (iOS and Android). Publish to the server once, consume on all supported platforms.

Deploying a copy of a current site for redundancy, testing or development. Install the app, backup the primary Tableau database with its admin utility (command line), restore it on the new box. All data, visualizations, users and permissions are contained in that single restore step.

Tableau means I spend time working with my data, instead of the presentation of it. Its not a perfect product by any measure, and could obviously use some improvements, but is a timesaver in many areas.

Re:Tableau stock down almost 50% by tremguy on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:06PM (#11043314)
+1