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Re:Denmark confirms US sent rendition flight for Snowden by Shivetya on Friday February 05, 2016 @09:46AM (#11041679)
well if you cherry pick your news sources, or your news sources cheery pick what they want to relay, it would be easy to gain the impression that those defending the 2nd have no problem with them trying to get Snowden back.

However that is the crux of the issue. The media spends is way to cozy with the governments of the countries they operate in. Far too many in the media are trying to create news instead of reporting it. So putting two and two together... many of the media are against the gun rights advocates and take liberties with their reporting to put those advocates in the worst possible light.

I am quite sure if you asked many of the advocates you could get very different replies based on how you phrased your question. Like many others there are pro government supported and gun advocates and those who don't trust the government.

Re:Denmark confirms US sent rendition flight for Snowden by nsxwolf on Friday February 05, 2016 @09:51AM (#11041706)
I have guns because I am afraid of the government. Snowden confirmed my fears were justified.
Re:Denmark confirms US sent rendition flight for Snowden by aeling on Friday February 05, 2016 @10:07AM (#11041849)
Despite being a US citizen who also enjoys guns, I don't understand this rationale at all. What kind of government overreach would private ownership of firearms stop? It obviously wouldn't interfere with any sort of targeted attack on an individual (that's what drones are for), and I have a hard time believing it would deter even ground attacks. A few guys in the woods with AR-15s aren't going to be a speed bump for any concerted effort by a nation-state, let alone this one.

*Disclaimer: I disagree with our use of drones, don't think anyone should come to take away private guns, and don't believe any of this is a real risk. I'm just trying to understand the large group that believes their guns will protect them from the military.

Re:Denmark confirms US sent rendition flight for Snowden by nsxwolf on Friday February 05, 2016 @10:12AM (#11041894)
I don't pretend to know what the scenario would be where I'd actually use my guns. Be assured it's a nightmare scenario and not some dispute over land use rights.

A few lone nuts would have no chance against the government. But if the sentiments and fear spread to the point that entire towns were like-minded in their opposition, you'd have a guerrilla warfare situation like we saw with insurgents in Iraq. In that situation, the government's job becomes much more difficult, and assuming carpet bombing is off the table, small arms indeed can make an impact.

Re:Denmark confirms US sent rendition flight for Snowden by logfromblammo on Friday February 05, 2016 @11:48AM (#11042624)
Logically, if you fear the government, you should also have a transmitting radio and a reloading bench (with a fat stockpile of primers) at home, solar cells, a PVC pipe filled with gold and silver coins buried in your backyard, a tamper-resistant dash-cam in your car, and a packed bag--with medical supplies--hanging by your back door.

If just a gun is enough to reduce your fear, you haven't been thinking about it hard enough. (Or maybe not playing enough Fallout.) Battles can be lost with poor logistics before strategy or tactics even come into play.

If you ever see a day where you need that gun against a rampaging government, you're not going to be able to make full use of paper dollars, public networks, broadcast media, retail stores, power grid, refueling stations, police, hospitals...

I think people actually keep guns because they fear both too much government against them and not enough of it for them.

Re:Denmark confirms US sent rendition flight for Snowden by nsxwolf on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:51PM (#11043169)
Sometimes you want to build a house and sometimes you want to just want to hang a picture on the wall. Either way you at least need a hammer.

I don't know if that made any sense.

Re:Denmark confirms US sent rendition flight for Snowden by logfromblammo on Friday February 05, 2016 @10:43PM (#11046448)
I know it's only a metaphor, but I've driven a picture hanger into the wall with vise grips before. An actual hammer just makes the job easier; it isn't the only way to drive a nail.
Re:Denmark confirms US sent rendition flight for Snowden by arethuza on Friday February 05, 2016 @11:57AM (#11042680)
I'm not from the US and I'm genuinely curious about something - if you are afraid of the US government do you therefore see the enormous power of the US military as a good thing or a bad thing?
Re:Denmark confirms US sent rendition flight for Snowden by nsxwolf on Friday February 05, 2016 @07:51PM (#11045907)
Both really. Double edged sword. I like knowing we could repel an invading army, but it can also be turned on its citizens and tempts politicians to get entangled in global affairs.
Re:Denmark confirms US sent rendition flight for Snowden by forgetsusername on Friday February 05, 2016 @09:56AM (#11041747)
>The media spends is way to cozy with the governments of the countries they operate in.

Say what you will about the quality of journalism in the US, but is as diverse, open, available and free as anywhere in the solar system. There is no singular view; you can easily find sources form any angle.