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Re:Britain to Foreign Workers: If You Don't Make $50,000 a Y... by Someone1234 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:21PM (#11035456)
> Why is immoral to make sure people earn enough to support a spouse and a child that they will bring with them or have come over?

Because separating families is immoral. If you don't think causing a parent and child to be separated is immoral then your list of immoral actions must be slim.

> Is England obligated to take care of non citizens?

You call them non-citizens, I call them dependants of UK citizens. Also the rules entirely ignore the spouse's earning potential which is stupid.

> US has same rules.

No it doesn't.

The US does have a minimum income level but firstly it is much lower, and additionally you can get numerous additional sponsors to combine incomes.

So someone in the US could get their parents as co-sponsors, and thus allowing even someone working at Walmart to bring in a foreign spouse and child.

Re:Britain to Foreign Workers: If You Don't Make $50,000 a Y... by true_religion on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:51PM (#11035712)
> Also the rules entirely ignore the spouse's earning potential which is stupid.

Are spouses of people on this type of VISA allowed to work?

> Because separating families is immoral.

You do know the default answer to that is: "Fine, as paragons of morality, we will hereby no longer allow any foreign workers with spouses who make under XX,XXX to enter the UK, because separating them from their family is immoral."

Proviso: I believe in having substantially more open borders than we do today; I just don't think your argument to morality is a very good one.

Re:Britain to Foreign Workers: If You Don't Make $50,000 a Y... by Someone1234 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @01:26PM (#11036024)
> Are spouses of people on this type of VISA allowed to work?

Yes.

> You do know the default answer to that is: "Fine, as paragons of morality, we will hereby no longer allow any foreign workers with spouses who make under XX,XXX to enter the UK, because separating them from their family is immoral."

You completely misunderstand what is even being discussed.

We're talking about UK NATIONALS who if they earn below the threshold cannot bring in a foreign spouse or child.

We are NOT talking about foreign nationals on work visas and their ability to bring in other foreign nationals.

To use a specific example: If a UK national moved to the US, got married, and had a kid. If all three of them wanted to move to the UK, they would be separated for years. The UK national would have to move to the UK alone, get a job, earn 23K/year, and only then could they apply to bring the other two over. This ignores how long the visa process takes or how many years of work-history you need to get approval!

Re:Britain to Foreign Workers: If You Don't Make $50,000 a Y... by astrange on Thursday February 04, 2016 @04:48PM (#11037540)
"Spouse or child" or "spouse and child"? A foreign child of a British citizen is a British citizen and shouldn't have a problem getting in.

I mean, once the passport office finishes rejecting their paperwork because "it was printed on US letter paper" or "your cosigner's signature is too big" or "their signature was in blue ink". (I had to mail it all in four times.)