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Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by nkurz on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @03:13AM (#11018190)
It's worth reading the comments on the article, as the author explains his position further:

  I am not saying "duncan is a sexist". I am not saying "this 
  language is sexist". I am saying "I suspect the end result 
  of decisions like this is to perpetuate a bias away from 
  the inclusion of marginalised groups, including women".
I'm not certain if that's true, but it seems like a reasonable discussion for a community to have. And if the immediate response to that argument is unilaterally banning the bug tracking privileges of the reporter and everyone who commented in favor of the bug, I wouldn't blame anyone for deciding that R is a poisonous community that they they no longer want to be part of.
Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by glogla on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @03:49AM (#11018316)
It may look in innocent and reasonable by itself, but there's a history where someone starts something like this (changing pronouns to their favorite one, demand people are racist for using master/slave terminology, demand to kick someone from project because he said something on twitter, etc) and it starts an absolute shitstorm of various self-righteous commenters on github or elsewhere running a witch-hunt.

The standard practice for facing SJW lynch mob is to remove their ability to affect the project negatively, usually by making issues and comments contributor only (on github) and waiting for it to blow over because the Internet Hate Machine doesn't have long attention span.

It seems to me that the R maintainer just did this standard response.

Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by efes on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @07:10AM (#11018959)
Opening a bug about someone's embarrassing double-entendre in a non-native language usage and then asking everyone to comment is bullying and technically sexual harassment. Not wanting to be accidentally thrown into the situation of having made a statement that is misinterpreted as a sexual taboo isn't just a problem for particular genders.

Its all very fun to build pet theories about the reason for a lack of gender diversity, but doing it in official tools by casting attention on an individual for what is a really a random consequence of language that only a native speaker would even notice is the juvenile nonsense very similar to the problem to supposedly be weeded out. I would absolutely consider banning someone's access to official tools who did this with them, particularly when they clearly understood the actual situation.

If you aren't for a dedicated slang usage, then you also just let the proper usage stand when it accidentally still occurs or you at least don't make a fuss about your choice to change it. I don't even have kids, yet I know this very basic rule of not re-enforcing the power and humiliation of swears.

Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by tomp on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @03:38AM (#11018279)
> And if the immediate response to that argument is unilaterally banning the bug tracking privileges of the reporter

Note that we only know one side of the story. Maybe the author has a history of stirring up drama and coming up with topics not interesting to the rest of the community (i.e. anything other than programming). If so, preventing further impact on the community is exactly the right response.

Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by eclipseo on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @04:45AM (#11018510)
I think you are onto something, he is apparently known to create drama, c.f.:

http://www.examiner.com/article/wikimedia-foundation-s-olive...

Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by zimpenfish on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @07:04AM (#11018933)
If that reporting is accurate (I've no idea or any basis for judging) then yeah, the parent post is amazingly hypocritical.
Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by glogla on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @04:04AM (#11018368)
Given the post and especially the authors comments on the blog, this seems probable.

EDIT: I mean, the author definitely knew that this is the thing that brings hate mobs on twitter, so by this blog post, he wanted to start a harassment campaign.

I can understand why they would kick out toxic people like that.

Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by arasmussen on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @03:18AM (#11018208)
Agree 100%.

Some are very sensitive to sexism and political incorrectness and some just don't care/notice.

Regardless, a leader should encourage community members to voice their legitimate concerns. Duncan's actions were simply immature and unwelcoming. I don't blame Oliver for leaving and hope we see a public apology from Duncan.

Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by mercer on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @03:34AM (#11018258)
Indeed. My first reaction on 'iGiveHead' was to roll my eyes ever so slightly as my immediate reaction would be that it's 1) not really sexist at face value (to me), but 2) inappropriate enough to indeed remove, but just because it's crass.

In regards to 1, let me explain. First off, I've heard people use it more than once as a thing men do to/with women, as little sense as that makes to me, sort of like my female friends talking about 'ladyboners'. Second, giving head is also something men do to other men. And finally, nobody that I know considers 'giving head' in any way a degrading thing these days.

But...

That's just my interpretation, and I'm probably pretty atypical in this regard.

And regardless of how I personally feel about this, the response to this kind of thing, as a leader, should be sensitivity and willingness to make people feel 'safe', especially if there's no real cost to fixing it. It seems like common human decency to be inclusive in such a situation.

If there comes a point where this kind of inclusiveness and sensitivity actually causes problems, well then it's perhaps a more difficult situation. But this seems pretty simple and straightforward, even for someone like me who personally does not see any big harm in 'iGiveHead'

Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by laichzeit0 on Wednesday February 03, 2016 @01:33AM (#11025053)
My question in these cases is always this: what is the percentage of people who don't care/notice compared to those who are sensitive bunch is like 1-10% or even 20 or 30% then it's better just to ignore their sensitivities. It just takes too much time to appease everyone, and that is at best an idealist goal. If you don't like something and it's just you and a handful of people, well maybe just _deal with it_.
Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by justin_vanw on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @04:40PM (#11022890)
It's not a reasonable discussion. There is no reason that every single group of people has to have a continuous debate about gender and sex just because a few people are obsessed with talking about it insist on it.

The R community should talk about data science, not be subjected to constant demands and debates because a single prude is having a fit about it.

Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by Oletros on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @03:16AM (#11018198)
> "I suspect the end result of decisions like this is to perpetuate a bias away from the inclusion of marginalised groups, including women".

I don't understand this

Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by arasmussen on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @03:22AM (#11018219)
Bringing up concerns regarding sexism are abruptly shut down and labeled "shit disturbing" by a man in charge.
Re:Why I'm leaving the R community by tomp on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @03:40AM (#11018283)
Not everything is sexism, even if some people like to pretend it is. Giving head definitely isn't sexist (both sexes do it).