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Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by drzaiusapelord on Thursday January 28, 2016 @10:39AM (#10988781)
Lifelong Chicagoan here. I've never, ever had these issues and all my run-ins with cops have been fairly uneventful, if not pleasant. Chicago cops have better things to do than give traffic tickets usually and the last time I got pulled over (blew through red from a fast yellow) and I was just let go with a warning.

Recently, there is a mentally unstable person in my neighborhood and he decided to sit on my porch and light pieces of paper on fire one day. I called and they were there in 15 minutes and said they could do what they can to help this guy. The cops seemed geniunly concerned about his and my safety. I was floored by how well this call went.

I live in one of the decent, but not wealthy neighborhoods. Chicago is about 1/3rd horrible ghetto and 1/3rd marginal and 1/3rd decent. Life in those other 2/3rd's is very, very different. If you're outside of the typical "northside" neighborhoods the cops are much tougher and much more paranoid about being hurt or killed. I lived in one of those neighborhoods and there's a completely different vibe there. Cops pull up with 3+ squads at every call, take up defensive positions, hands close to weapons, etc. A dog attacked mine when I lived in Humboldt Park and the cops came out and were cool about it, but clearly on edge as I lived in gang territory. In other neighborhoods, I don't see this edge, or the defensive tactices. So yeah, there's something here about cop safety in marginal neighborhoods. I imagine provoking these guys in these neighborhoods leads to bad outcomes.

Also, not to attack the GP, but there is a Chicago cyclist personality I see frequently. They do dick moves with their bikes, cause accidents, never obey any traffic law, scream at pedestrians, have unbelievable senses of entitlements, kick/punch cars, and constantly pretend to be innocent and are often incredibly confrontational when criticized. I can't imagine cops being nice to these people and the GP sounds like one of these people, which may explain many of his experiences. Chicago cyclists have a bad rep for a reason.

That said, I have next to zero fear of the police and lots of fear in regards to the high criminality and massive gang population here. I've been intimidated and threatened on the train multiple times, car/house robbed, had to walk lady friends to their homes/cars many times not out of courtesy but because there was a known rapist loose or the gang kids were clearly looking to start trouble that night, have been uncomfortably close to a gang shooting at least once, hit 3x by DUI drivers, etc. I suspect Chicago cops are tough because Chicago has so much serious crime. This isn't the suburbs.

Wikipedia: Chicago has more gang members than any other city in the United States: 150,000. The city had 532 murders in 2012.

Chicago tribune: Chicago police officers shot 22 people in 2015, eight of them fatally.

532 vs 8, guys. Oh, 150,000 gang members is 5% of the population. That's right, this is a major city where 1 in 20 are gang members.

That said, the powerful Chicago police union is pretty horrible. It exists to protect the worst of the worst, out of some misplaced sense of pride. I would love to see public sector unions eliminated in the city, if not nationwide. They just make things worse for everyone. Society needs an alternative to the union system in the public sector. I find it bothersome that all the recent ant-police sentiment still has not percolated to the police unions. I suspect this is a political thing where liberals can't attack their own institutions. So expect zero real reform.

FWIW, I am darker skinned and do not pass as "white." I'm typically clocked as a Latino. I've always owned older cars , dress very casually outside of work, and live way below my means. I doubt I was treated in any special way because of status/race. I don't fall into the preferred categories.

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by bbarn on Thursday January 28, 2016 @10:57AM (#10988898)
"Also, not to attack the GP, but there is a Chicago cyclist personality I see frequently. They do dick moves with their bikes, cause accidents, never obey any traffic law, scream at pedestrians, and constantly pretend to be innocent and are often incredibly confrontational when criticized. I can't imagine cops being nice to these people and the GP sounds like one of these people, which may explain many of his experiences."

No, I'm the mild mannered, just let me get home without dying type. Stopping at lights, yielding at stop signs, pedestrian in crosswalks. Not in a particular hurry to get anywhere usually, overweight, calm demeanor. What makes me "sound like" one of these people to you? You'll note I mention this is the total sum of my interactions over 20 years in this city. I have yet to have a positive one, but still, there aren't many to speak of. Also, only the one experience there had anything to do with being on a bicycle.

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by monksy on Thursday January 28, 2016 @02:36PM (#10990600)
You should mention bikes on r/Chicago.

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As a pedestrian and a driver... screw the bikers. 95% of them are really shitty. The other 5% are well experienced in biking, and they hate the 95% of the other ones as well.

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by tres on Thursday January 28, 2016 @11:23AM (#10989061)
couldn't figure out why you were downvoted, your comment seemed to add to the conversation... until I got to

the GP sounds like one of these people, which may explain many of his experiences.

I'm not sure where you get that from what was written in the post, or why you think it would add value to the conversation, but in the future, I'd recommend keeping in mind that unjustified accusations directed at individuals render pretty much anything and everything else you write moot; they become what people take away from what you've expressed.

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by phil21 on Thursday January 28, 2016 @12:08PM (#10989448)
Agreed that last sentence wasn't helpful, but neither are the downvotes for him explaining exactly what the situation likely was.

Maybe the OP is a great cyclist. Maybe he's not. It's immaterial.

What is material is trying to provide some context into why that happened, if it did. Lets just say as a fellow Chicago resident I also immediately had the same suspicions that you were responding to.

I used to commute daily as a cyclist, until I moved here. I sold my bike, as I don't want to be associated with these people whatsoever. They are the most entitled, aggressive, and actively dangerous group of commuters I've witnessed. I've lived in Amsterdam. This is not how bikers should behave.

So to me, it was simply providing context to those who don't live here for stories that don't make any logical sense. Cyclists here get absolutely zero benefit of the doubt from me, and I imagine that attitude can get into a cop on a bad day as well. Certainly doesn't justify it, but it explains it.

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by bbarn on Thursday January 28, 2016 @12:54PM (#10989845)
Cycling's a big part of my life. I've been involved in advocacy groups, racing organizations, commuted most of my life, etc. I'm also a fairly smart guy. I recognize the difference between being out training fast/racing, and riding my bike to work. The two things have different applications, and I do them in appropriate settings.

I think I'm a pretty great cyclist, and by great I mean that I know when to do what, and consider my impact on those around me as much as myself.

The problem here is this is just one example of the problem with police abuse in general. Police should be capable of not defaulting to biases against groups of people because they need to be by their job description. Whether that's "all bikers are entitled and actively dangerous" or "all blacks are suspicious unless otherwise proven", the sentiment is the same. They must be held to a higher standard of judgment because of the authority they are given.

PS - If everyone gave up cycling because they didn't want to be associated with those who do it poorly, not only would that be a shame, it'd leave nothing but the belligerents you speak of.

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by oftenwrong on Thursday January 28, 2016 @01:34PM (#10990143)
>They are the most ... actively dangerous group of commuters I've witnessed.

Do people commuting on bike in Chicago kill more people than commuting in cars?

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by CamperBob2 on Thursday January 28, 2016 @05:43PM (#10992051)
You don't compare fractions by their numerators alone, do you?
Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by oftenwrong on Saturday January 30, 2016 @01:54PM (#11003157)
No
Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by chillwaves on Thursday January 28, 2016 @08:12PM (#10992806)
You are literally comparing cops to gangbangers (oh, but at least they aren't as bad). If you are doing that, you might as well do it per capita. Are there 150,000 cops in Chicago as well?
Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by o0o0_ooo on Thursday January 28, 2016 @09:27PM (#10993114)
Only about 12,000 in the CPD according to Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Police_Department

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by golergka on Thursday January 28, 2016 @11:28AM (#10989105)
Genuine curiosity: why is this comment downvoted?
Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by ceejayoz on Thursday January 28, 2016 @12:05PM (#10989423)
Probably for "Also, not to attack the GP", followed by "the GP sounds like one of these people" who "do dick moves with their bikes, cause accidents, never obey any traffic law, scream at pedestrians, have unbelievable senses of entitlements, kick/punch cars, and constantly pretend to be innocent and are often incredibly confrontational when criticized."