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Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by jimrandomh on Sunday January 24, 2016 @04:32PM (#10964120)
If they were following a script and the script were careful, saying "I lost my phone" would cause them to try to contact your phone, and when you answered and said you still had it, would put a fraud alert on the account and stop all further attempts to social engineer customer service.

But most companies aren't anywhere near that careful.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by mcintyre1994 on Sunday January 24, 2016 @04:42PM (#10964155)
Wouldn't that allow somebody who stole your phone to lock you out of your bank if they answered the call? Seems like that'd make a stressful situation potentially worse if thieves knew they could do that. Especially if they called from a number that's linked to the bank anywhere and something like Google's dialer surfaces who it is - your bank calling seems like a potential "maybe I can get more" for a thief so they might be inclined to answer and impersonate.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by jimrandomh on Sunday January 24, 2016 @04:51PM (#10964190)
I would prefer that my bank, if it detects fraudsters trying to pull some sort of trick involving my account, to freeze things until I show up and present ID. That's inconvenient, but clearly better than the alternative.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by hibikir on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:00PM (#10964454)
Banks would never do that, if just because they'd risk losing business in places where there's no local branches. Many of the national banks that offer the best conditions have no presence in a lot of metro areas.

And even if you make sure your bank has a local branches (which really, I've not gone to one in years, why would I need one?), what happens when you are on a trip, and your accounts are frozen? I've had my CCs frozen because the bank considered my expenses during a trip to be potentially fraudulent, but I could clear it up over the phone. Do we have to devolve back to carrying thousands in cash, like in the old days?

Security is always a tradeoff between avoiding fraud and being usable, and the tradeoffs that are great for some people in some situations are unacceptable for others.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by sgentle on Monday January 25, 2016 @01:46AM (#10965951)
My bank did this. They had actually made a mistake on their end; one of their reps put a hold on my account (presumably a suspicious transaction), but didn't put it in right so it registered as being my request.

I called up, asking why there was a hold, they said I put it there, I said I didn't. There was a long pause, followed by "for security reasons, we won't be able to help you with anything related to your accounts until you come into a branch and present photo ID".

It was a bit inconvenient, but I have to say I was pretty impressed.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by zyxley on Sunday January 24, 2016 @05:56PM (#10964443)
So... what about banks with no actual physical branches?
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by jimrandomh on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:50PM (#10964645)
In an ideal world, the bank would direct you to a notary public who would check your identity and public key fingerprint. (Sadly, the present state of things is probably too dysfunctional to manage that.)
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by hueving on Sunday January 24, 2016 @04:42PM (#10964153)
Many people (including me) don't answer from unknown numbers, so that wouldn't work.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by stestagg on Sunday January 24, 2016 @05:29PM (#10964354)
It wouldn't work /for you/. But for people who do answer their phone, it would add protection.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by bigger_cheese on Sunday January 24, 2016 @08:02PM (#10964941)
Possibly but you'd want to be damn sure it was actually the bank calling you. What's to stop a scammer claiming to be from the bank calling you.

"Hi I'm from bank xxxx calling to warn about some potentially fraudulent transactions we've detected on your credit card before we can continue please answer a few security questions to verify your identity."

I suspect some people would fall for that and tell the 'bank' their personal details.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by WorldMaker on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:35PM (#10969752)
I've yelled at most of my banks for cold calling me exactly like that. My response is, "Can this be corrected online? Otherwise, I will call the 800 number myself and if you could provide any specifics that might speed up that next call I would appreciate."

In the past I've also sent letters to bank security teams not to cold call and ask for personal details.

One of my banks actually switched to a standard recorded message that ends in a "Please call our 1-800 number at your earliest convenience." Better.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by tomschlick on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:29PM (#10964567)
A text message / email might though.

Just saying "Your account has been flagged for a lost/stolen phone which you use as your 2FA. Please contact support if this is not correct."

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by ryanlol on Sunday January 24, 2016 @05:55PM (#10964436)
Just DoS the phone then?