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Re:JavaScript web apps considered valuable by voltagex_ on Friday January 22, 2016 @12:26AM (#10950936)
The MS AJAX control toolkit and UpdatePanel probably didn't help, either.

I think I can probably say that Javascript engines are an order of magnitude faster than they were 16 (!) years ago.

If I may make a generalisation, C#/Java devs are more likely to be "enterprise" developers and said enterprises were more likely to be the ones on IE <11. I know I fought damn hard to upgrade from IE8 just a couple of years ago. My webdev skills suffered as a consequence, too.

Microsoft moved pretty fast once they realised that IE needed to compete again - and Visual Studio evolved alongside it (mostly).

VS2015 is now a pretty good development environment for Javascript/Typescript and even includes some Grunt build support (although I haven't had a play with it yet).

Re:JavaScript web apps considered valuable by bzbarsky on Friday January 22, 2016 @12:51AM (#10951016)
> I think I can probably say that Javascript engines are an order of magnitude faster than they were 16 (!) years ago.

Two orders of magnitude. I just checked, and on my laptop http://web.mit.edu/bzbarsky/www/mandelbrot-clean.html (the first JS thing I wrote where performance of the language itself seriously mattered) runs in about 30-60ms in modern browsers. On the same hardware, it runs in about 2200ms in Firefox 3, which is the last pre-JIT version of Firefox. Other benchmarks I've tried show similar improvements results. And that's only going back to 2008; the interpreter was a good bit slower another 8 years before that.