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Re:An End to Parking? by mc32 on Thursday January 21, 2016 @01:33AM (#10943722)
I never liked vast seas of parking or sprawl. It's not my thing; I like compactness. I prefer safe, crime free, walkable mass transit centered communities. I think it's more aesthetic, is better use of land, it's a healthier way to live, to experience the place you grow and die in.

But, I loathe people telling people how things should be and what should better. Things will change organically, just as they organically changed from sodden cow and horse manure filled roads to paved, car filled roads. So too will cars acquiesce to something else. But stop, stop the condescension and promulgation that all that is car is bad. When something better comes along, people will choose the better thing.

For good or bad, in the US, China, Japan, Europe and Africa, people choose cars when they're useful. Cars aren't foisted onto them. Yes, choices in development matter, but that's an altogether different topic.

Back to aesthetics, while I would enjoy fewer cars and parking spaces, I do not look forward to buildings built closer together like in the middle ages. They're nice when you're taking a stroll, but they are impractical for emergencies, when people need to evacuate, when emergency vehicles need access. I prefer wide streets even in the absence of cars [ever experience mid rises banging against each other in an earthquake?]

Re:An End to Parking? by eloisant on Thursday January 21, 2016 @04:19AM (#10944174)
Maybe you don't know it but cities are designed. There are urban planners who decide who to organise an area, public governements decide what land is open to what kind of buildings, etc.

So decisions are taken about how to organise cities, and it's been this way for centuries.

See how Haussmann transformed Paris in the 19th century for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haussmann%27s_renovation_of_Pa...

Re:An End to Parking? by WildUtah on Thursday January 21, 2016 @02:38PM (#10947699)
More topically, parking is built because city planners and local and state laws require it. It isn't optional, developers can't choose to organically build less over time, it isn't a matter of choice, and it won't acquiesce into anything else.

And the predominance of parking everywhere in America didn't just happen. It was mandated by law.

First world cities with low parking requirements have much less than 5% as much parking as American cities do. Because that is what people will build voluntarily and pay for.

Re:An End to Parking? by martinpw on Thursday January 21, 2016 @04:18PM (#10948460)
Small anecdote on the parking requirement - in the LA suburb I live in one of the local coffee shops has a large 'seating' area which is nearly devoid of actual seating. Asking the staff why they didn't install more chairs and tables, they said they were not allowed to have more tables than parking spaces, and their location only had a few parking spaces.

So when I walk there I have no place to sit because - well, why would anyone not drive and park to get their latte fix?

Re:An End to Parking? by mc32 on Thursday January 21, 2016 @04:09PM (#10948381)
By organically I meant people petition, change laws pass ordinances etc at their pace.

Speaking of low parking slot cities, ever enjoy having sidewalks and pavement taken up by parked cars. Slots or not, people park their cars.

Re:An End to Parking? by WildUtah on Thursday January 21, 2016 @06:24PM (#10949372)
Tokyo requires that car owners prove they have a reserved parking stall before allowing them to register a vehicle. That takes care of sidewalk parking.

But the easiest way to eliminate sidewalk parking is to install meters on the street spaces. Then the local authorities will promptly tow sidewalk parkers for meter evasion. The problem only crops up where parking is mandated and free.

Re:An End to Parking? by mc32 on Thursday January 21, 2016 @06:50PM (#10949534)
Leys see how that works out on counties with corruption endemic at low levels of enforcement.
Re:An End to Parking? by WildUtah on Thursday January 21, 2016 @07:06PM (#10949637)
Mexico City had no parking meters six years ago and a serious sidewalk parking problem. As the new meters go into neighborhoods, the local parking cops (on bicycles with a trailer full of Denver boots) detain illegal parkers.

It works absolutely great. The neighborhood has new cash to spend on improvements and there's legal space to park in for a price.