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Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by arihant on Thursday January 14, 2016 @02:36PM (#10903826)
The thing is, if a piece of IP is not available in a country, and given the fact that it might be worthless by next season, is distributing that IP for free for that year in the country a bad karma? If anything, when the production house does license out in that country, they can run the current season directly as population has already watched earlier ones.

If anything, this should push production houses to work better with rights distribution. In India, that's already happening with "Premier" channels which run seasons alongside US counterparts. For shows that appear on now Premier channels, I have not torrented a single one. I am also sure that if not for rampant torrenting, this would have never happened.

Internet is a great leveller. Take a deep breath, let it in. By the time we all have gray hair, this will be long sorted out. You can't lock down IP by country in 2016. If you built a system that loses money if it leaks internationally, it's your fault. Next, try to build a business model that has more chances of survival than chances of sand retaining in your fist.

The real problem is that people still expect a century old business model to work. If it doesn't, they lose their minds.

If a tree falls in another part of the world, and nobody saw it, nobody visited that forest for 10 years, nobody wanted to use that wood, did it really fall? Did American oak planters lose money because of it?

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by tajen on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:06PM (#10904041)
People often ask me: "If there were no copyright law, how would studios earn money?"

What artists and moviemakers could do is, sell the right to see contents before others. Assuming that DRM is cracked and leaked after some time and will inevitably fall into the "public domain", users would not buy "a song" or "a movie", but the lifestyle of watching it directly out from the factory, while others would have to wait until it's cracked.

When the season 2, 3 and 4 of Arrow aren't available in Europe, we know that Netflix isn't selling the lifestyle of being up-to-date with fashion.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Suncho on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:27PM (#10904197)
People often ask me: "If there were no copyright law, how would studios earn money?"

They'd work on commission. They'd work on crowd-funded commission. If you want a movie made, you pay for it yourself. If you want to watch a movie that's already been made, why shouldn't that be free? The work has already been done and paid for.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by waterlesscloud on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:36PM (#10904269)
Neat. Does that apply to cars and houses and food as well?

The work has already been done and paid for, after all.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by JupiterMoon on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:19PM (#10905129)
Yes when I want a car I buy one (i.e. pay for it to be made). The OP is suggesting that film studios operate the same model.

Personally I disagree, I don't think the current model is so broken that it can't be fixed. Although some things about it are just plain dumb. The primary part that is almost comical in this case is the bit where content owners refuse to make the extra money that they could so easily make by selling/renting to the millions of people that want to pay them and instead spend a fortune on "public relations" and copyright trolling.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by kuschku on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:46PM (#10904344)
Indeed. Once the work has been paid for, you can usually copy your car as much as you want. You can also use your car as many times as you want.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Karunamon on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:57PM (#10904424)
Cars and houses and food are physical goods (and in at least two of your examples, fungible and/or life-sustaining) with distribution costs, intrinsic value, and scarcity.

Digital files have none of these.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by waterlesscloud on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:26PM (#10904611)
That's not the point under discussion.

The rationalization here was that the work was already done, so why shouldn't it be free?

It's a silly rationalization and I'm pointing that out.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Karunamon on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:30PM (#10904654)
The rationalization only works on goods that meet the criterion I just described.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by bmelton on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:42PM (#10904746)
Then it doesn't work for pirated movies, which has distribution costs associated.

You'll need to add yet another caveat to your original claim to make it work.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Karunamon on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:50PM (#10904820)
Once again, I was speaking of digital content. The "distribution cost" of a 600-4000MB file is effectively nil.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by vidbina on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:15PM (#10905570)
Netflix seems to spend a fortune in encoding and distributing this type of content. I think that distribution may not always be as simple of a problem and should not be marginalised as such. Especially if you consider the numbers in terms of demand and quality expectations for such services.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Karunamon on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:18PM (#10905586)
Literal thousands of people are distributing various content, for free, right now. Out of sheer altruism most of the time - they get nothing back after their initial download. Pick your favorite torrent site.

The fact that the business landscape wouldn't tolerate this as a legitimate method is a failure of ego and imagination, not something inherent to the system.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by chris_wot on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:43PM (#10904753)
You did it in the least effective way possible. Once I pay for a car and my food, I never pay for it again if I don't want to. In fact, I've never paid for my food more than once.

If you have a point, you need to find a better way of making it.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by chris_wot on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:42PM (#10904741)
I've only ever paid for my food once.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by chris_wot on Friday January 15, 2016 @04:34PM (#10912279)
Two people evidently missed the point.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by vidbina on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:19PM (#10905588)
> Internet is a great leveller I hope that the increased connectivity of our world will have a profound impact on the legal constructs utilised by parties to secure earnings. As you, I also hope that we will have worked through the issues by the time I'm old, but history tells me that profit is a great motivator to keep archaic constructs intact. Today's world is filled with business models that don't fit our somewhat more globalised reality. The money talks.