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Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by bduerst on Wednesday January 13, 2016 @06:46PM (#10898587)
It's tragedy of the commons.

Bitcoin is designed for having rational actors as miners. The miners profit less from the larger block sizes, and since they control the block size it's not going to happen.

Bitcoin users who think the miners will do it "for the good of bitcoin" don't realize that the entire bitcoin ecosystem is built on the miners acting in their own best interest, not bitcoin's.

Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by danharaj on Wednesday January 13, 2016 @08:20PM (#10898990)
I wouldn't call that a tragedy of the commons. I would call that "capitalism" because it is exactly the relationship between the owners of the means of production and everyone else.

"But anyone can become a miner" so it's free as in market and fair as in game. /s

Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by bduerst on Thursday January 14, 2016 @12:07AM (#10899745)
It's tragedy of the commons because the miners are trying to reap from a shared resource, with no alignment to the changes that are beneficial for Bitcoin.
Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by wmf on Wednesday January 13, 2016 @06:53PM (#10898626)
Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by bduerst on Wednesday January 13, 2016 @07:08PM (#10898695)
If the bitcoin consumers were king, then the majority of them would collude and stop hoarding their bitcoins.

But they can't, because they're rational like the miners. Bitcoins are deflationary and always going to be traded as an asset, for which the small block size suffices and the Miners will continue to profit from. The bitcoin consumers can as much influence the miners as they can influence each other to voluntarily lose wealth.

Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by CyberDildonics on Wednesday January 13, 2016 @10:52PM (#10899508)
Miners profit more from bigger blocks due to more transaction fees.
Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by bduerst on Thursday January 14, 2016 @12:09AM (#10899753)
Miners profit from increased competition (for transactions to be included in smaller blocks) increasing the transaction fees. Only transactions with the highest fees are put into blocks.

It was proven several times with the "stress tests" of Bitcoin network.

Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by CyberDildonics on Thursday January 14, 2016 @02:00AM (#10900013)
> It was proven several times with the "stress tests" of Bitcoin network.

An attack on the network doesn't prove anything about the economic incentives that make up the mechanics of the system. Bigger blocks hold more data and transactions pay by the kilobyte. That's all there is to it.

Increased fees per transaction may give more money in the short term, but ultimately it isn't how a crypto currency will be sustained, because at any point a fork could have lower fees.

Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by bduerst on Thursday January 14, 2016 @11:23AM (#10902297)
It's simple supply and demand. The less supply increases the demand for transactions and transaction fees. Larger blocks have way more supply and thus the fees are a minimum. Miners know this which is why they're not increasing block size.

There is nothing short term about it. The more competition the greater the fees and profits in the long run.

Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by CyberDildonics on Thursday January 14, 2016 @02:06PM (#10903567)
Miners haven't yet increased the block size because the Chinese miners are both risk adverse and afraid that any increase will give them more latency, which could reduce their mining competitiveness.

As soon as transactions are legitimately getting hung up with reasonable fees, any of the thousands of forks have the potential to fill the void and decrease fees since there is no real technical limit to blocksizes in the same orders of magnitude.

So what you are forgetting is competition in your model of supply and demand.

Miners will do what is most profitable for themselves. If they can double the amount in fees that they mine without halving the number of blocks they mine, they will do it, because they will make more money that way. This is much more likely than not since the latency introduced to block propagation from something like 1MB to 2MB is insignificant compared to the probability that someone else will mine another block and propagate it first.

Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by bduerst on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:21PM (#10904144)
The blocksize increase you're describing only benefits a single individual once. Once increased and there is no more competition, transaction fees drop to almost nothing again for all miners.

Bitcoin prevents individuals from making these one-time power grabs by design. Even if they colluded, the miners are not going to agree to increase the blocksize because it immediately means less money for 99.999% of them.

Again, it's tragedy of the commons. They could work together to make the shared resource better for someone trying to use Bitcoin as a day to day currency, but instead they're rationally maximizing their own returns.

Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by CyberDildonics on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:49PM (#10905390)
> The blocksize increase you're describing only benefits a single individual once. Once increased and there is no more competition, transaction fees drop to almost nothing again for all miners.

This isn't true now and it hasn't been for quite a while now, transactions need to carry fees to go through because miners have another choice that you happen to overlook - they don't have to mine a transaction if they don't want to. Miners can ignore transactions and let another miner mine them. This is actually beneficial for them because it decreases their blocksize and therefore their latency. If a miner mines a block unusually quickly by chance and wants to be generous, they can include more low fee transactions but I'm not sure this something anyone is doing automatically.

So it isn't the bleak outlook you describe because mining small fee transactions isn't to anyone's benefit.

Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by bduerst on Friday January 15, 2016 @03:25AM (#10907954)
Now you're just being ignorant. The base transaction fee to cover latency is magnitudes less than that to be included in a competitive smaller block.

The point still stands, and you're demonstrating confirmation bias. How much money have you put into Bitcoin, I wonder?

Re:Why Bitcoin Can't Help the Poorest, Yet by CyberDildonics on Friday January 15, 2016 @12:55PM (#10910863)
> The base transaction fee to cover latency is magnitudes less than that to be included in a competitive smaller block.

None of this makes any sense at all, the words don't even go together in the context of bitcoin. It is isn't even coherent enough to be true or false, it reads more like some sort of auto generated nonsense. Do you even understand what I said earlier?

I get that you have some sort of vendetta against bitcoin but stringing words is pretty desperate.