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Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by gnaritas on Wednesday December 30, 2015 @11:51PM (#10816214)
> I live in California. I'm not "super rich" but we earn more than $1MM/year. > And high-salaried people are getting screwed under Obama's war against the most productive citizens.

Stop whining and blaming Obama; there's no war against productive citizens, you aren't a victim. You don't get to complain when you're among the wealthiest in the world that you don't get to keep enough money. 99.9% of the country makes less than you, have some fucking perspective and perhaps a bit of humility for gods sake.

Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by Zhenya on Thursday December 31, 2015 @12:26AM (#10816336)
What does it matter what the rest of the world has? If he/she earned it legally, they deserve it. You don't get to make victims out of the rest of the world.
Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by muzz on Thursday December 31, 2015 @03:05AM (#10816762)
GP earned it in California and so is subject to California taxes in addition to Federal taxes
Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by wfo on Thursday December 31, 2015 @03:15PM (#10819436)
You earned however much the state says you've earned legally; the state makes the laws. Every cent you've made is off the back of the state and at the state's whims, so the state gets to decide how much of its money it will take back, and how much of its money you get to keep as an incentive to keep helping others. If you claim you somehow 'deserve' the millions you are making, then you also 'deserve' to get taxed. You can't have it both ways.
Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by gnaritas on Thursday December 31, 2015 @12:31AM (#10816351)
> If he/she earned it legally, they deserve it.

Utter nonsense. Legal doesn't equal moral nor does it mean fair. Slavery was legal, that doesn't mean the slave owners deserved the profits from their labor (you apparently think it does). Legals means nothing more than we can't put you in jail yet.

Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by Zhenya on Thursday December 31, 2015 @12:36AM (#10816364)
Eyeroll. And who decides morality? You? No thanks.
Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by dang on Thursday December 31, 2015 @02:31AM (#10816669)
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Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by gnaritas on Thursday December 31, 2015 @12:39AM (#10816371)
No, we; that's what democracy is for, we evolve and over time, the law catches up as the common morality evolves. Or do you really think slave owners deserved their money because it was made legally? That was your argument, that legal means they deserve it, stand by your argument.
Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by Zhenya on Thursday December 31, 2015 @12:45AM (#10816388)
And "we" decide laws. I'll stick to those.
Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by gnaritas on Thursday December 31, 2015 @01:12AM (#10816478)
I didn't say you shouldn't, I just said being legal doesn't make something just; that's a fact.
Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by powertower on Thursday December 31, 2015 @12:32AM (#10816354)
> Stop whining and blaming Obama; there's no war against productive citizens, you aren't a victim. You don't get to complain...

Everyone gets to complain, you don't have a monopoly on it.

> when you're among the wealthiest...

Not everyone that is wealthy won the lotto. Some people actually worked for it (took risks, worked harder, etc).

Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by gnaritas on Thursday December 31, 2015 @12:33AM (#10816358)
Yes, and some people should be ashamed of complaining in the name of decency.

> How about when you are the among the ones that took the most risk in life, the ones that worked the hardest

Ah, the just world fallacy and survivor-ship bias all in one. You didn't work the hardest or take the most risks, far more people who worked harder and took equal risks didn't get lucky.

Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by powertower on Thursday December 31, 2015 @12:42AM (#10816380)
You're promoting the false narrative that if someone does better in life it is just chance and nothing else... If you fail, it's not your fault. If you succeed, it's not really your doing.

The formula for success has more than the single variable of luck in it. Luck plays a part, but so does allot of other variables.

Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by gnaritas on Thursday December 31, 2015 @01:14AM (#10816485)
> You're promoting the false narrative that if someone does better in life it is just chance and nothing

That's a straw-man, I didn't say it's "just" chance and it's called a fallacy, not a narrative, and it's a fact, not false. It's a cognitive bias all humans have to attribute their success to their own efforts, and that's what's false.

Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by isolate on Thursday December 31, 2015 @01:30AM (#10816516)
Reality is somewhere between the two positions being argued.
Re:Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more i... by gnaritas on Thursday December 31, 2015 @11:55AM (#10818397)
Reality is those biases exist, and chance plays a far greater role in everyone's lives than most like to admit; that's a fact. The just world fallacy is a fact. Survivorship bias is a fact. These are not debatable points, they're truths and they're true regardless of opinions to the contrary.