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Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by kefka on Monday December 28, 2015 @07:57AM (#10800910)
About 3 weeks ago, I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes. I was given the "take this pill and leave me alone" treatment most doctors do these days. The pill was Metformin.

I asked about food, since that is the only way I am getting nutrients in my body. His answer was, "If it tastes good, don't eat it."

I cook a great deal, as does my wife. If I can change my diet so that my blood-sugar level stays within healthy parameters, I'll gladly do it. And, I've done it.

There is a technique called "Eating to the meter", which tailors a diabetes diet to your body. I can see what foods do what. Those sugar-alcohols sometimes do and don't cause an effect. Malitol causes no spike, but xylitol does. Don't know why, but I know it does in me. And all of this is internet derived advice. But it's better; far better than what the doctor said...

'Take this pill and go away'

Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by Mz on Monday December 28, 2015 @04:38PM (#10803540)
Congrats on your accomplishments.

If I can change my diet so that my blood-sugar level stays within healthy parameters, I'll gladly do it.

In addition to what you have done, you might look up articles on diabetes and inflammation. They are linked. I have a condition that predisposes me to blood sugar issues and I have worked on consuming an anti-inflammatory diet. Addressing the blood sugar issues was not even on my radar. I had other concerns I was trying to address. My blood sugar is more stable than it has probably ever been in my life.

Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by beachstartup on Monday December 28, 2015 @09:17AM (#10801143)
do some research into ketogenic diets. "if it tastes good don't eat it" mainly refers to processed sugar and carbs, not real food. for example, roasted chicken and cauliflower tastes delicious and i would certainly choose it over a donut any time of day. is chicken and cauliflower somehow off limits for diabetics? i'm no doctor, but probably not.
Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by kefka on Monday December 28, 2015 @09:32AM (#10801202)
Unfortunately, that's the pablum my doctor said. I have not been following my doctor's advice, as it is generally scientifically bad. I haven't went all in what was said.

All meats are safe, as long as they are relatively unprocessed. When processing adds corn starch, sugar, or other carbohydrates is when the meats are not good for me.

Cauliflower is perfect for me. It's also how I make "mashed potatoes". Find a frozen bag of cauliflower and cook it. Let it dry out a bit, and add butter and heavy whipping cream, and blend. 0g carb mashed potatoes.

Also, How I have been testing food is "test -> eat -> blood glucose test every half hour for 3 times". Now that I have data on about 70% of what I normally eat, I don't have to test those foods.

I'm much healthier now that I'm following a low carb diet of my own design. I'm eating about 0-15 g carbs a day. Surprisingly, it's similar to Atkins, but with the blood-glucose meter component. I can scientifically say that I'm doing better with regards to that dimension.

Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by noondip on Monday December 28, 2015 @11:08AM (#10801755)
> All meats are safe

Meat, processed or not, is a large risk factor in diabetes. See:

Meat consumption, diabetes, and its complications.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23354681

Association between dietary meat consumption and incident type 2 diabetes: the EPIC-InterAct study.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22983636

Oxygen-carrying proteins in meat and risk of diabetes mellitus.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23778318

Relationship of dietary saturated fatty acids and body habitus to serum insulin concentrations: the Normative Aging Study.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8338037

Also, fruit and vegetables are all "carbs", so a diet with 0 carbs is utter insanity, and a recipe for poor health and disease.

Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by beachstartup on Monday December 28, 2015 @01:01PM (#10802367)
this guy always chimes in with this kind of thing - he's pushing a vegan agenda.
Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by noondip on Monday December 28, 2015 @02:12PM (#10802750)
You have been warned by moderators before to tone down your rhetoric regarding my posts; I'm simply presenting some worthwhile research, which you should reply to on its merit, not your preconceived notion that any evidence you disagree with must be part of some agenda. That you keep painting me with a "vegan" paintbrush in order to downplay or even dismiss me gives credence to the fact you haven't actually got a scientifically tenable argument to retort with.
Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by kefka on Monday December 28, 2015 @02:31PM (#10802858)
Frankly, I don't care about what percentage of the population gets X. Or Y. Or might get Z.

In the end, those studies are nigh worthless, because they are about some statistic. When you're a doctor, a statistic is nice because they can be partially right. I want custom medicine tailored to me!

Instead of meat-hating studies, show me tests I can conduct that can validate your assertions about my own body. What tests can I run reasonably? I can obtain the appropriate equipment.

(I replied here because reply was off. Deleted for a proper response)

Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by noondip on Monday December 28, 2015 @02:37PM (#10802897)
I absolutely understand where you're coming from. What about measuring LDL cholesterol (should be <75), BMI (<25), triglycerides (<150), fasting glucose (<100), and blood pressure? I think those are great biometrics for general health. Note, my posts do not constitute medical advice - I am simply sharing my experience and findings which I'm happy to have challenged.
Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by kefka on Monday December 28, 2015 @03:14PM (#10803090)
> I absolutely understand where you're coming from. What about measuring LDL cholesterol (should be <75), triglycerides (<150)

It's within the ideal range, as is HDL. My triglycerides were 290mg/dL, so High. The more studying I'm doing in this area points more towards Metabolic Syndrome as well, with T2 diabetes as a result of that syndrome. No proof as of yet, just uncorroborated hypothesis.

> BMI (<25)

38, but I don't look it. I'm 6'5", and I've always been off the growth charts. Now, with my current diet, I've lost 18 lbs down to 298 in 3 weeks. I am working on this. Ideally, I want 220lbs. I've been there before and I look great, lest the BMI be damned.

>fasting glucose (<100)

That's what I have it down to now. 3 weeks ago, it was fasting=161mg/dL . After switching to a highly restrictive carbohydrate diet, it took 6 days for my fasting to drop to 110-120mg/dL. I got sick, which is easily viewable from my data. It also corroborates from fellow Type 2's and 1's I know. Sickness causes blood glucose to get "screwy". Now, my fasting is 100mg/dL

> and blood pressure?

I haven't the money for an automated unit, but it is on my agenda. I do test moderately high (140/80, prior to T2 diagnosis).

> I think those are great biometrics for general health. Note, my posts do not constitute medical advice - I am simply sharing my experience and findings which I'm happy to have challenged.

I agree. I'm looking for even more, as well as writing software to analyze my results. Effectively, I want a system I can tell what food I'm eating, and how much. I want to do these analyses personally for me. Right now, outside of food, food quantity, speed of eating, temp, BP, heart rate, weight, and blood sugar, there isn't many ways I can get that great of data. Lab data is so sparse to be nearly pointless.

I hear allegations about all sorts of foods and supplements. I want proof. I'm willing to work with others, as well as being a guinea pig (to a point). But I want to see real results.

My data: https://mega.nz/#!JwcSEAwC!zPqA1zVhA3zcLwLLZRJucc6AtT9zlHfNY...

Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by noondip on Monday December 28, 2015 @04:10PM (#10803411)
I had a peek at your data and must say I'm surprised and impressed you manage LDL cholesterol under 75 with the amount of animal products you consume. (I noticed you said it's "within the ideal range", but did not concede it was actually under 75). For context, a single egg already puts you close to the daily recommended cholesterol limit of 200-300 mg.

Anyway, I share your ambition to get "real results" and see how foods affect my biology as quickly as possible. Sadly, we just don't have the technology to enable us yet (I predict dietary biometrics will be a big trend soon). Until then, I can only reference my own independent research into and experience with whole food, plant-based diets void of animal products (strict) and processed foods (not as strict). I'm well over a year in and feel better than before, my blood work is great and I regret nothing. The only supplement I take is a B-12 vitamin once per week. A good jumping off point for me were the websites, http://nutritionfacts.org and https://cronometer.com.

Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by beachstartup on Monday December 28, 2015 @04:31PM (#10803517)
i'm not retorting you, i'm simply stating that you're pushing a vegan agenda, which is true.
Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by noondip on Monday December 28, 2015 @04:38PM (#10803542)
Fine, but your comment has no substance and makes for trite reading. So what if I promote a vegan diet? Are you genuinely so threatened by this fact that you find it important to chime in to let readers know every time I post? If you find what I have had to say to be inaccurate or otherwise alarming, please explain why and correct me, using facts and citations, not conjecture and personal anecdotes.

In fact, your post history reveals you have a keen interest in low-carb diets, so citing your evidence, reading mine, and generally having an intelligent debate on the matter of human health and nutrition seems like a more interesting way to spend the time, rather than aggressive name-calling and making dismissive generalizations.

Re:If Doctors Learned to Cook, They Might Give Better Advice by beachstartup on Monday December 28, 2015 @10:54AM (#10801647)
try buying a whole head of cauliflower and roasting it for 45 minutes at 350F with some olive oil and salt/pepper on it. i just eat it like a steak.