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Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by littletimmy on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @01:46PM (#10784859)
Why is the life of a Zimbabwean citizen more important than the life of a Zimbabwean lion?
Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by pc86 on Thursday December 24, 2015 @08:06AM (#10788030)
Because one of them is a human being and one isn't.

The fact that that's a question that was even asked is shocking, and honestly disgusting. Yes, people are more important than animals. To imply otherwise is downright idiotic.

Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by pavanred on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @02:56PM (#10785253)
I don't think it is. But that said, I guess perhaps we as human beings are biased towards our species and/or empathize better with the human condition.
Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by hodwik on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @01:59PM (#10784934)
Because one of them is sentient.
Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by dragonwriter on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @02:53PM (#10785238)
Both lions and humans (like most, or all, animals) are sentient.

You may be referring to some concept of intelligent self-awareness, but you need to be more clear as to what it is to evaluate whether its a real difference between humans and lions; lots of animals have demonstrable self-awareness of various forms.

I agree that the human condition is more important, but I don't think your explanation of why holds up.

Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by hodwik on Thursday December 24, 2015 @01:48AM (#10787378)
One of them we know to be sentient. We can't be so sure about lions.

I'm not talking about higher-order intelligence, I'm talking about sentience -- the ability to experience.

It is rather simple now to find a program that would defeat the original formulation for a Turing test, but no one would describe them as having consciousness.

However, I believe it very possible that humans are doing much the same thing with a sort of sentience Turing test that we project onto animals. They _seem_ to have experience, because they react to stimuli. But the same is true of the computer.

We know that creatures with basically nothing in the way of a brain, take earthworms or severed octopus tentacles, will react to pain, hide from it.

We also know that pain has two parts -- a conscious experience, and an animal aversion. This is made clear by the existence of Pain asymbolia, where a person gets damage to the insular cortex (a lower part of the brain), and is no longer averse to pain, despite reporting that they still experience the pain just as they did before the injury.

I believe it quite likely that consciousness exists in the human brain alone, and is of very recent evolutionary vintage, evolving in conjunction with language. That when humans project sentience on their pets they are basically falling in love with a biological automaton, no different from a person falling in love with a chat-bot.

Unless we find a reason to believe that mere programming couldn't account for the behavior of animals (which seems increasingly unlikely, as our own rather rudimentary robots advance), it seems much more likely that evolution would have evolved the simple instinct system first -- only adding consciousness later on when it became an evolutionary necessity, as could have been the case for complex communication about qualia.

Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by littletimmy on Thursday December 24, 2015 @08:10AM (#10788037)
I don't think sentience should be a criteria for value of life. Even if a lion isn't sentient, so what?

This speciest emphasis on human-like features as criterion for value shouldn't be dominant in the first place.

Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by hodwik on Thursday December 24, 2015 @09:36AM (#10788263)
If sentience isn't the requirement, where do we draw the line on AI? Do we have to treat dead things nicely?
Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by littletimmy on Thursday December 24, 2015 @10:14AM (#10788396)
We can take a global macro view when it comes to animals. Why should their lives be as important as people's?

Ability to feel pain?

Scarcity? [In the sense that there are 7 billion people and only 5000 tigers, so we should focus on saving the tiger?]

Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by anon4this1 on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @02:23PM (#10785077)
I suppose this is what separates environmentalists from non-environmentalists.

You have a fixed belief that any and every human life is more important than all animals or plants.

Re:New Global Growth Projections Predict the Decade of India by tonmoy on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @02:33PM (#10785124)
You suggest making better the life of the sentient being even if it kills a non-sentient being? What about a mentally handicapped person who is not sentient?