News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by ctdonath on Monday December 14, 2015 @12:15PM (#10732309)
No results found for "airline drone near miss"

Ok, that's a bit pedantic - search for "airliner drone near miss".

But what are we talking about re: "near miss" here? The phrase itself defines as no actual impact. How many actual problems are we talking about here, vs "close but no harm done"? I'm just trying to bracket the issue.

Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by sveiss on Monday December 14, 2015 @03:13PM (#10733474)
A "near miss" in aviation terms would be anything close enough to potentially compromise safety if anything else went wrong. This tends to be taken very seriously – for example, every such reported incident in the UK is investigated and a report issued – even when the distances involved seem very large for a ‘near miss’. The UK investigative authority cites an example where the aircraft involved were 3 miles apart horizontally, and yet it was still handled as a safety issue ( http://www.airproxboard.org.uk/default.aspx?catid=423&pagety... ).

I expect the absolute distances considered critical for drone operations to be smaller, but still significant.

The level of scrutiny involved in aviation safety is very impressive. I’m not actually involved in the field myself, but find the human factors and systems engineering involved in keeping the skies safe to be very interesting. NTSB and CAA incident reports make fascinating reading!

Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by mikeash on Monday December 14, 2015 @03:05PM (#10733421)
Google turned up 137,000 results for me for "airline drone near miss." Are you sure you're using it properly?

Many of the hits describe the specific near misses, thus answering your question.

But the question about how many actual problems we are talking about is missing the point. Drones are at an inflection point. People have been flying them for decades as a hobby (they were called "radio control airplanes" back then) without issue, but they're set to become far more popular, far more available, and far easier to use really rapidly. The question is not so much how many problems there are today, but what it'll look like in five or ten years, and how we can get ahead of any potential problems now.

Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by CountSessine on Monday December 14, 2015 @04:51PM (#10734196)
But what are we talking about re: "near miss" here? The phrase itself defines as no actual impact. How many actual problems are we talking about here, vs "close but no harm done"? I'm just trying to bracket the issue.

close but no harm done

Are you serious? This is an airplane we're talking about. I don't care how close you think you are or aren't when you're flying your toy around the airport. I don't want the pilot of my airplane to be distracted by your asshat-ery no matter how much distance you think you have from the airplane.

Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by ctdonath on Tuesday December 15, 2015 @09:25AM (#10737863)
Yes, I'm serious. As someone who thinks nothing of near-misses involving drivers dozens/hundreds of times daily with a head-on speed differential of >100 MPH missing by _feet_ , I understand the concern for impact yet still scratch my head over the angst indulged over a single miss by _miles_.
Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by ryanlol on Monday December 14, 2015 @09:29PM (#10735537)
Why would a pilot be distracted by a drone?
Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by sokoloff on Monday December 14, 2015 @11:14PM (#10735891)
On my next to last landing at my home airport, I was warned of "remote controlled aircraft" on the final approach path, 1.5 miles from the runway. At that point on a 3* approach path, I'm a little over 400' above the touchdown zone and the land rises slightly in this direction, so I'm a little under 400' above ground.

Care to guess whether that was a zero or non-zero distraction as I passed the affected area?

Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by ryanlol on Monday December 14, 2015 @11:55PM (#10736016)
How is your average drone different from birds? Non-zero doesn't mean worth mentioning.
Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by sokoloff on Monday December 14, 2015 @11:58PM (#10736030)
Many birds have eyesight and a dive response to approaching aircraft.
Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by ryanlol on Tuesday December 15, 2015 @12:01AM (#10736040)
Most drones have cameras and operators (which also have eyesight).
Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by sokoloff on Tuesday December 15, 2015 @12:03AM (#10736047)
Great. So we just need the instinctual dive response and we should be good...
Re:New U.S. FAA rule requires drone owners to register by Fe... by rfrank on Monday December 14, 2015 @04:29PM (#10734034)