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Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by chris_va on Thursday December 10, 2015 @04:57PM (#10713799)
> I would gladly pay a netflix-like subscription that gives me a "pass" to top news sites with no advertising.

This has been tried without much adoption (e.g. https://www.google.com/contributor/welcome/).

Really the problem is that newspapers make very little online, even with high numbers of ads, compared to print.

It isn't cost effective to run an online-only newspaper (with all of the extraneous costs that go into producing "news", and not "blogs"). Thus, they have a strong incentive to crazy subscription models instead of streamlining everything.

Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by iza on Thursday December 10, 2015 @05:28PM (#10714042)
Google Contributor has a few major problems:

- 5-50% fewer ads isn't good enough, it needs to remove all ads.

- It's too expensive. There is no way my ad impressions add up to $10 a month.

- How is the money divided? How big is Google's cut? Needs to be clarified, ideally made user-configurable.

Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by mike_hearn on Friday December 11, 2015 @06:01AM (#10716410)
$10 per month is really low.

I remember when Contributor was in an internal beta (back then I worked at Google). Initially there were no tiers. I recall being completely shocked at how high my 'budget' had to be to stop seeing just most ads, not even all of them. It was much, much higher than $10 per month.

When I looked at the per-site breakdown it was obvious why: I spent a lot of time on sites that advertisers were willing to pay a lot to be on, like (oddly enough) Slashdot. Presumably due to the affluent, IT-budget-controlling and very tightly defined audience. My eyeballs were literally worth a lot of money and to buy them back, would therefore cost a lot of money.

It was when I started to see those figures, and I wasn't even getting an ad free web, that I realised the whole dream of using micropayments to clear the web of advertising was a non starter. Hardly anyone is going to be willing to double or triple the price of their internet subscription just to get rid of some ads, some of the time. We really have no idea just how much the web economy relies on advertising to survive.

Presumably Contributor uses tiered budgets to avoid sticker-shock and people blowing through their budget in the first few days of the month. It makes sense but they can never get rid of all ads that way.

P.S. I don't use ad blockers.

Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by mapt on Friday December 11, 2015 @06:21PM (#10720858)
- It's too expensive. There is no way my ad impressions add up to $10 a month.

They do though. Online advertising is a ~$60 billion a year (domestic US) business undergoing very rapid ~50%/year growth rates (estimates vary wildly).

Over around 120 million households, that's about $42 per month per household.

Over 20 million households with at least an upper-middle-class income, it's even higher.

Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by mapt on Friday December 11, 2015 @06:31PM (#10720898)
What's interesting is that about half of the US have nearly zero disposable income and are living paycheck to paycheck, and their entertainment is presently being paid for by their wealthier neighbors at the cost of collateral damage in advertising annoyance; This is a deadweight loss if you try to quantify that damage.

Most people aren't willing to pay their equal share of the numbers, but most people also don't have the money to pay it now.

It would be hilarious if you took the 20% of the country with plenty of disposable income and made them the subscription base for destroying advertising: it results in ads shown only to the people without the money to justify them, or sites which go subscription-only.

Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by JoshTriplett on Thursday December 10, 2015 @05:53PM (#10714214)
> - 5-50% fewer ads isn't good enough, it needs to remove all ads.

And the space where those ads would have appeared, as well.

Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by rsanek on Thursday December 10, 2015 @08:15PM (#10714902)
>- It's too expensive. There is no way my ad impressions add up to $10 a month.

Do you believe that Google's description of the way it works is inaccurate, then?

"Instead of bidding on behalf of an advertiser, Contributor bids on your behalf, with the budget you set up. The Google ad auction determines when a thank you message will appear in an ad space, and how much it will cost. In the ad auction, advertisers and Contributor bid for a given ad space in real time." [0]

[0] https://support.google.com/contributor/answer/6084026

Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by manigandham on Friday December 11, 2015 @08:04PM (#10721267)
Ad impressions add up to way more than that. Online content is, in aggregate, the most expensive content you consume yet you don't notice since it's free right now.

Why is Netflix, Spotify ok for $10 but not a constant stream of content from any source online? People spend 10x more on coffee every month in some areas.

Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by dev1n on Thursday December 10, 2015 @05:02PM (#10713841)
Could HN be considered an online-only newspaper? It covers a lot of stuff.
Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by chris_va on Thursday December 10, 2015 @05:28PM (#10714040)
HN is strictly an aggregator, which is about 3-4 orders of magnitude cheaper to operate.
Re:Moving the Washington Post to HTTPS by bgilroy26 on Thursday December 10, 2015 @05:19PM (#10713981)
From a reader's point of view it is. On the production side, HN differs greatly as newspapers have traditionally had direct relationships with their content contributors