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Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by gnu8 on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @10:02AM (#10696698)
Why is it Focus by Firefox and not Focus by Mozilla? Mozilla is the name of the company, Firefox is the name of one of Mozilla's products. So a software program was created by another software program?

This type of illogical branding is becoming typical of Mozilla these days. It's a shame because the web really needs browser leadership from an organization that isn't a multinational corporation.

Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by felipeerias on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @10:32AM (#10696910)
"Firefox" is a much better known brand than "Mozilla".

Mozilla are not only using the "Firefox" brand for a single application, but also for other solutions which are related to Web browsing in one way or another (e.g. Firefox OS). "Made by the same people who make Firefox" is a great presentation card. You can not expect people to have intricate knowledge of the IT sector before deciding if one add-on is trustworthy or not.

And if Mozilla ever want to include a content-blocker in Firefox proper, well, they already have a name for it.

Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by bad_user on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @10:22AM (#10696830)
I mean no offense, but out of all complaints I've heard about Mozilla's work on Hacker News, this is probably the stupidest. What the web really needs is less vitriol against those that actually do something.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by tedunangst on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @12:51PM (#10698019)
The web needs fewer people using "vitriol" to refer to any kind of criticism.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by josefresco on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @10:53AM (#10697074)
Not really. This irks people (rational or not) who are put off by inconsistencies with naming and branding. I understand why the Firefox brand was chosen, but it feels "messy". We'll get over it.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by bad_user on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:09AM (#10697208)
Please explain why on such a project announcement that parent comment is the second one in the thread (instead of technical discussions, platform limitations, privacy, trackers, alternatives, you know, things that would actually make sense). I'm having a hard time right now to not liken HN to a cesspool and this time the offense is intended.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by samclearman on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @10:06AM (#10696715)
Probably because Firefox is a well known brand and Mozilla isn't.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by 0942v8653 on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @10:19AM (#10696811)
And even worse, it's for (and only works with) Safari, not Firefox.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by FussyZeus on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @10:22AM (#10696829)
Content blockers are only supported in Safari, per Apple.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by bydo on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:44AM (#10697500)
Safari and anything using the Safari View Controller. Which is, admittedly, a bit limited to use for a full custom browser.

The faster JS engine was also limited to Safari for a few iOS versions before it was extended to third-party applications, so perhaps they're taking the same approach here.

It's worth noting that they could also integrate their own ad blocking into their custom browser, which other third-party iOS browsers have been doing for years.

Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by FussyZeus on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @12:32PM (#10697888)
Didn't know it also applied in the safari view controller. +1 Informative.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by 0942v8653 on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @10:30AM (#10696899)
Yes. It just seems misleading to say "by Firefox" for the majority of users, who don't know that.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by lkiernan on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @12:00PM (#10697640)
It feels excessive to call this misleading. The web browser team within Mozilla must be pretty well placed to be significant in creating an app for mobile web browser experiences.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by ethbro on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:46AM (#10697514)
Maybe that's hopefulness that Apple reverses its decision.

"Why doesn't Focus by Firefox work on Firefox?" is an amusing and fair question for Apple.

Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by FussyZeus on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:22AM (#10697307)
That's true, I was wondering myself why it wasn't "by Mozilla."
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by 01Michael10 on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:01AM (#10697138)
What? When is someone going to sue Apple? Why would anyone even create a browser on iOS with all the restrictions?
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by e1ven on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:21AM (#10697305)
IANAL, but I'm not sure anyone would have a legal leg to stand on.

Microsoft's legal troubles about bundling IE were possible because MS was ruled to have a monopoly position in desktop PCs.

Apple has around 14% of the smartphone market, by no means a monopoly. Their share gets even smaller when you look at the total cellphone market.

To the best of my knowledge, there isn't anything illegal about using product A to promote product B, or having a restricted platform.

You need some other trigger, such as having a dominant market position, or collusion between vendors, etc..

Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by shinratdr on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:20AM (#10697290)
> When is someone going to sue Apple?

For what? Not writing an API so that their software that runs on 15% of phones works the way you want it to? Good luck.

> Why would anyone even create a browser on iOS with all the restrictions?

The same reason anyone creates a browser for any platform. Because people use it.

Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by 01Michael10 on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @12:49PM (#10698007)
> The same reason anyone creates a browser for any platform. Because people use it.

I wouldn't use a browser that was crippled like most people... Actually, I'd move to a different platform.

Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by shinratdr on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @12:51PM (#10698023)
That's fine, do what works for you. Many don't care though, and browser vendors are happy to cater to them as well.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by FussyZeus on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:23AM (#10697321)
There are no legal breaches here. Apple's platform, Apple's rules.

I have no idea. I don't create browsers for that and many other reasons. Any browser on iOS is still using Safari webkit underneath anyway so there isn't much point.

Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by 01Michael10 on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @12:54PM (#10698039)
> There are no legal breaches here. Apple's platform, Apple's rules.

That hasn't been the case for Google...

> I have no idea. I don't create browsers for that and many other reasons. Any browser on iOS is still using Safari webkit underneath anyway so there isn't much point.

That is another ridiculous restriction...

Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by FussyZeus on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @03:36PM (#10699286)
Apple isn't stopping you from making a web browser. The "restriction" is that the development tools are still going to use the same underlying web engine. You can make all the browsers you want, but you couldn't, for example, create a web browser using Mozilla's engine. It would still report itself as webkit/Safari.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by detaro on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @03:11PM (#10699086)
> That hasn't been the case for Google...

On what platform? Google in web search is a monopoly, Google or Apple in Smartphones are not. That matters for most of these things.

Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by smacktoward on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @10:27AM (#10696879)
"Firefox" is the brand normal people recognize, and Mozilla has been shedding things that aren't Firefox for quite some time now.
Re:Focus by Firefox, a Content Blocker for iOS by ahoy on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @10:21AM (#10696824)
The number of people who recognize the Firefox brand vastly outnumber the people who recognize the Mozilla brand. It makes complete sense.