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Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by mmanfrin on Monday December 07, 2015 @03:48PM (#10692577)
Coal as a source of our electric power has plummeted in a decade, being taken up mostly by natural gas (but also in small part by solar/wind). Additionally, there is no change needed for an end consumer if the power they use is switched to a different source, whereas to switch a fuel for cars means switching cars. The drive to get people on electric cars means that switching everything off of fossil fuels is a matter of switching the power plants (which we've seen is something that can be done quickly as with coal->natural gas).
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by redblacktree on Monday December 07, 2015 @04:15PM (#10692762)
I would be very interested in an all-electric minivan with enough range for my frequent 600-mile trips to my wife's home town. Sadly, this does not yet exist.
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by lmm on Monday December 07, 2015 @04:21PM (#10692810)
You make a 10-hour-each-way trip frequently? Man, stop throwing away your life like that. Downsize your house, take a pay cut, do whatever it is you have to to move somewhere closer. I struggle to even begin to imagine the misery of what you're doing.
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by michaelt on Monday December 07, 2015 @05:21PM (#10693198)
Many people choose their car based on their peak requirements, rather than their average requirements.

I've seen people commute in a minivan every day because the space was useful taking their kids' stuff back and forth to college a handful of times a year. I've seen people buy SUVs because they tow a boat or a horse box once every six months. I've seen people buying larger cars so they can transport five adults in greater comfort - even though they only need to do that a handful of times a year.

Now, it's possible that these people would be better served by one car for their everyday needs, hiring different cars for these occasional needs - but most car buyers aren't used to behaving that way at the moment.

Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by redblacktree on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @07:53PM (#10701095)
> Many people choose their car based on their peak requirements

Exactly right. I don't want to pay for and maintain cars for different purposes, so I buy based on peak requirements.

Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by lotharbot on Monday December 07, 2015 @04:37PM (#10692905)
Depends on what you mean by "frequently".

I live within a 5-mile radius of 5 of my siblings, my parents, my grandparents, and my aunt and uncle. I'm a stay-at-home parent, my wife works from home, and our son attends an excellent school a block away. My wife's family lives a little less than 600 miles away. We travel out that way 2-3 times per year, which is frequent enough that I wouldn't want to rent a car every time we did it. It wouldn't make sense to try to move closer, but it does make a lot of sense to have an efficient vehicle. If a full electric could make the trip with quick-charging stations along the way, I'd be all for it. For now (given that my old car was totaled in a hit-and-run this weekend) I'm leaning toward something like the Chevy Volt.

The GP poster may be in a situation with similar characteristics -- frequent enough travel to want to do it in your own vehicle (rather than flying or renting something), too far for most electrics.

Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by redblacktree on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @07:55PM (#10701099)
> The GP poster may be in a situation with similar characteristics

Shockingly similar. Though I am the working parent, and my job is only about 1/3rd work-from-home.

Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by Noted on Monday December 07, 2015 @04:35PM (#10692890)
I'm guessing there is probably a disconnect in what "frequently" means between you two.
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by redblacktree on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @07:52PM (#10701084)
"Frequently" means 2-3 times per year. My family is somewhat close, hers is fairly distant, our roots are here. I don't think 40-60 hours a year to see family is so bad. We make good use of the time. Typically when we do take a trip, we'll spend at least a week there. And honestly, I don't mind the driving. It gives me time to reflect on my life.
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by ksenzee on Monday December 07, 2015 @05:41PM (#10693349)
What are the roads like where you live? Because in my part of the world a ten-hour drive is a pleasant way to spend a vacation day. I look forward to road trips.
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by lmm on Monday December 07, 2015 @05:43PM (#10693362)
A new road you haven't seen before, sure. But the same one frequently?
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by ksenzee on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @01:59PM (#10698509)
Depends on the value of "frequently." Every weekend would be not much fun. Every month or two I'd be fine with. Riding in a comfortable vehicle is good family togetherness time, which is in short supply in a lot of families.
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by drcube on Monday December 07, 2015 @04:56PM (#10693035)
You don't have relatives across the country? Or you just don't visit them?
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by lmm on Monday December 07, 2015 @05:02PM (#10693069)
Furthest in the same country is 200 miles away; I have an uncle 900 miles away who I visit occasionally (as in once in ~3 years). But in any case I take the train or fly, and sleep or watch a movie or even code on the way.
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by Gravityloss on Monday December 07, 2015 @06:14PM (#10693524)
A plugin hybrid minivan would be perfect for you.
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by redblacktree on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @08:02PM (#10701128)
Do those really exist? I recently bought a 2015 Toyota Sienna, and I didn't see any hybrid options in Honda or Toyota (arguably the leading minivan brands)
Re:Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a damn if we agree about cli... by Gravityloss on Wednesday December 09, 2015 @04:20PM (#10706831)
I don't think so. There's very few plugin hybrids on the market at all, which is a shame.