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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by jorgon on Sunday December 06, 2015 @07:09AM (#10685052)
It is Spanish cultural patrimony in the same way Rosseta Stone is British patrimony. Legally it is owned by Spain.
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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by rockyleal on Sunday December 06, 2015 @10:30AM (#10685459)
Legally? Going by whose laws? The legitimate owners of all that wealth are the indigenous inhabitants of the territory it was extracted from by invaders. According to indigenous law, it is definitively NOT legally owned by Spain.
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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by golergka on Sunday December 06, 2015 @12:14PM (#10685768)
> indigenous law

Are you referring to some particular legal entity here, or just an overall concept?

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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by justinator on Sunday December 06, 2015 @01:16PM (#10685987)
I agree with you (somewhat).

In other cases, Spain has won the rights over salvaged treasure from sunken Spanish ships, as the countries they plundered the gold from weren't countries at the time, but colonies of Spain (for example: Peru).

Sincerely, if this is in International waters, you would think there was a expiry date of shipwrecks and it's finders-keepers after, Oh, I dunno, a few hundred years or so.

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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by ZenoArrow on Sunday December 06, 2015 @08:56AM (#10685259)
I'm British and I don't believe the Rosetta Stone belongs to Britain. However, that's probably a minority view, many people here in Britain are still brainwashed about the glory of empire and all the good it did for the world.
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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by andrepd on Sunday December 06, 2015 @10:23AM (#10685435)
The same could be said about every historical artifact not in display in its native nation. Should we repatriate all artifacts and pieces of art to its original nation?
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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by ZenoArrow on Sunday December 06, 2015 @11:09AM (#10685564)
In an ideal world, yes, for historical artifacts.

However, I realise there's not much demand for such a move, so it's not going to happen any time soon, if at all.

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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by jorgon on Sunday December 06, 2015 @11:36AM (#10685627)
There's no demand for moving Parthenon Sculptures?
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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by RobertoG on Sunday December 06, 2015 @07:51AM (#10685140)
I doubt that, legally, a shipwreck of colonial times in Colombian waters is owned by Spain.

And I would like to think that most of the Spaniards agree with that.

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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by joeyspn on Sunday December 06, 2015 @08:35AM (#10685212)
Well, technically Colombia was then part of the Spanish Empire, and that galleon belongs to the Spanish Crown. I personally don't mind but knowing how low gold is in the spanish central bank, probably the spanish gov will make some kind of move to get back its "historical heritage"...
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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by rockyleal on Sunday December 06, 2015 @10:22AM (#10685429)
Empire which was revoked due to being an illegitimate and genocidal regime. Your argument suggests they should be allowed to re-steal now what they would have stolen back then.
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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by joeyspn on Sunday December 06, 2015 @11:05AM (#10685551)
No, I'm not saying that they should be allowed to re-steal. I said that I don't care about a shipwreck, but the spanish government has been known to claim this kind of finds in the past because technically that is a Spanish ship and legal precedents exist.

Also, all the global empires have been built on the same coercive foundation, and that doesn't make them "regimes".

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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by jorgon on Sunday December 06, 2015 @11:35AM (#10685624)
Some American talking about genocide... That's really a joke!
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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by joeyspn on Sunday December 06, 2015 @12:57PM (#10685915)
The reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide", the most sustained on record.

http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302

Well, it looks like there was, in fact, a vast genocide. In the north and also the south americas. Really sad...

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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by rockyleal on Sunday December 06, 2015 @09:04PM (#10687678)
Who said I am American?
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Re:Spanish galleon may contain biggest treasure haul ever fo... by maxerickson on Sunday December 06, 2015 @10:41AM (#10685486)
I guess the details aren't the same, but Spain has asserted legal rights over shipwrecks in the past:

http://www.tulanemaritimejournal.org/finders-weepers-losers-...

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