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Re:Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not... by beat on Monday November 30, 2015 @04:28PM (#10651962)
Rudimentary talk-radio analysis aside...

I find Daesh far scarier than other Islamic fundamentalist movements because their techniques are more sophisticated and their aim is much higher. The "they're killing us!" argument is so silly... terror attacks are to stir western nations into violent action, not to actually significantly injure us. And it works - far too many Americans and Europeans live and act politically in abject terror of very low-impact, unlikely events.

What scares me about Daesh, though, is that I think they're trying to goad outside powers into massive wars with each other! This is why they've attacked everyone - the US, France, Russia, and all the major Arab nations. Everyone is off fighting in Syria, and not as a unified front, but a bunch of independent powers making independent alliances and jockeying for position.

During a recent presidential debate, Rand Paul wisely asked the question, "Are you ready to shoot down Russian planes?" (note: I'm not a Rand Paul supporter. I just thought he was spot-on with this.) If the US creates a no-fly zone while Russia wants to do bombing runs in it, we could have a situation where American and Russian planes are in direct combat. There's a non-zero chance that this could lead to nuclear war and the destruction of the West as we know it. And we've already had the first taste of it, with NATO member Turkey shooting down a Russian plane.

If I wanted to destroy the West, that's exactly what I'd do - provoke a war between the US and Russia with those giant Cold War nuclear arsenals.

And that makes me think Daesh is by far the most sophisticated and dangerous enemy we've seen since the Nazis.

Re:Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not... by wdewind on Monday November 30, 2015 @06:17PM (#10652593)
> I find Daesh far scarier than other Islamic fundamentalist movements because their techniques are more sophisticated and their aim is much higher.

Daesh are basically the same people with the same goals as the other Islamic fundamentalist movements you are familiar with. Read the history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_...

Re:Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not... by beat on Tuesday December 01, 2015 @10:45AM (#10656163)
That's like saying Twitter is the same as Google, just because principal founders came from Google.
Re:Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not... by wdewind on Tuesday December 01, 2015 @11:26AM (#10656581)
I'm not really sure how you can read the history of the organization and come up with that. al-Tawid was founded at around the same time as al Qaeda (within a few years), and they merged to become al Qaeda in Iraq and then ISIS/ISIL.

In some ways the person I was responding to was right because, between Osama and al Zarqawi, Osama was definitely the moderate. But you're talking about wanting to kill everyone who isn't a muslim vs. everyone who isn't sunni muslim.

The idea that ISIS is something fundamentally different is driven by the media. It's sort of how DARE tries to scare parents by saying "This generation is smoking some really crazy stuff you're not familiar with!"

Re:Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not... by beat on Tuesday December 01, 2015 @04:03PM (#10658745)
Daesh is taking and holding territory. And they're dragging major powers in to fight them there, quite deliberately. That's pretty different to me.
Re:Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not... by wdewind on Tuesday December 01, 2015 @05:04PM (#10659214)
Pretty different from what? Afghanistan in the 70s/80s was almost exactly this: a destabilized national government, insurgent forces taking and holding territory, global powers being dragged into it. The only differences are the rhetoric.

Edit: here, this may be a link that helps you understand more of the history of the region as well as the context for the rise of AQ/ISIL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maktab_al-Khidamat

Re:Thomas Piketty: Clamping down with law and order will not... by ende on Monday November 30, 2015 @08:16PM (#10653075)
One could argue that those powers actually willing to use those nuclear weapons are the more dangerous threat.