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Re:Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynic... by hokkos on Friday November 20, 2015 @11:45AM (#10602139)
Terrorist violences is also against free society.
Re:Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynic... by staunch on Friday November 20, 2015 @12:00PM (#10602252)
Criminals do much more actual harm to society, and yet no is calling for local police to have access to everyone's email and phone records.

Imagine how many crimes local police could prevent if they did have access? Unlike finding small terrorist cells among tens of millions of people, busting local criminals is very easy if you can spy on their communication.

They could probably save thousands of children from serious abuse. They could definitely save some people from being murdered.

And yet, it's still not worth it because we would be living in a police state, not a free society.

Re:Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynic... by mason240 on Friday November 20, 2015 @12:53PM (#10602622)
>Criminals do much more actual harm to society, and yet no is calling for local police to have access to everyone's email and phone records.

They are calling for mass video surveillance of everyone's encounters with police.

Re:Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynic... by gknoy on Friday November 20, 2015 @01:02PM (#10602683)
> > no is calling for local police to have access to everyone's email and phone records. > They are calling for mass video surveillance of everyone's encounters with police.

That's because there are serious problems with police accountability. Citizens benefit because bad police (which we hope are a minority) are discouraged from acting poorly, due to pervasive evidence, and the police benefit because there is a clear documented record of What Happened, which helps prevent spurious claims of police misconduct.

It's something that most of the police seem not to want, judging from reactions towards journalists and people with cameras, so it's not the __police__ asking for more surveillance. (Well, I mean, they are, but not in this way.)

Re:Baseless Calls to Expand Surveillance Fit Familiar, Cynic... by staunch on Friday November 20, 2015 @01:43PM (#10602973)
There may come a point at which police officers have such powerful gear (see: spider drones from Minority Report) that they can effectively monitor the population, but that's nowhere close to what we have with current bodycams.

"Mass surveillance is the intricate surveillance of an entire or a substantial fraction of a population in order to monitor that group of citizens."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance