I've not dealt with obesity personally, but I would speculate that many of the people who enjoy "fat shaming" are unfamiliar with the experience of having internal conflicts which lead one to take actions that are obviously irrational, even to the person performing them. This is an area where more empathy would lead to greater mutual understanding and perhaps increase the probability of finding solutions. (Of course, finding this empathy is perhaps a similar challenge.)

I know a couple of people who are big advocates of it, and surprise surprise, they're all pretty fat. They're still wonderful people, and I of course don't respect them less because they're fat. You know, for me, it's like..who cares? It's not my body. I'm even pretty sympathetic to how much difficulty they have doing basic stuff, just for having their joints and muscles carrying around an extra hundred pounds.

But it really seems to me that what's going on is that they're reacting to the constant onslaught of fat-shaming and moral judgments with this ideology of "health at every size". There is a constant moralizing about fat people in our culture, like if you're fat you're lazy or bad or whatever, none of which is warranted.

But I think that's where things get muddled--culture turns fatness into a moral failing, wrapped under a sheath of health concern trolling. Reaction to the moral judging is to try and take away the health claims, when that's really kind of missing the point.

What would be appropriate, I think, is to push for "human dignity at every size," you know, and leave the moralizing to stuff that matters. But that's not so catchy or easy to distinguish, I guess...

As for the actual health claims, I, for one, don't buy it at all, it seems obvious to me that carrying around excess weight is going to cause a number of immediate problems (joint strain, etc), to say nothing of the strain on your organs for being encased in excess fat. But the health stuff is separate from the moralizing, and I don't know how you'd get the larger culture to separate out "you're fat and it's hurting your body" from "you're fat and you're lazy/stupid/etc".

So often, in a state of despair, we indulge the sunk-cost fallacy by giving up simply because our conditions are not absolutely ideal. This is the emotional phenomenon the HAES seems to have been intended to address.

If you manage to keep these feelings to yourself, I see no cause for shame.

And bariatric surgery comes with significantly increased risk of suicide.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/852616?nlid=89075_2052&s...

Notably, 93% of the self-harm events occurred in patients diagnosed as having a mental health disorder during the 5 years preceding the surgery.

It would appear there's some positive association between incidence of mental health conditions and obesity, which could account for at least some of this difference from the general population. Ultimately, in absolute terms, the increase in self-harm is by 1.3 out of 1000 patients, which is statistically significant, but not so much at an individual level. Considering the much more significant, known health problems associated with obesity, I don't believe this finding changes the expected value of bariatric surgery by much.

Addict? Just stop using

Alcoholic? Just stop drinking

Gambling issues? Just stop betting

Depressed? Just cheer up

Unmotivated? Just try harder

There are underlying, complex factors to most of these and many other issues. It's easier to ignore them when you've never directly dealt with it.

If the addict can't find drugs anymore, he can't use them.

If the alcoholic can't find alcohol anymore, he can't drink it.

If the gambler can't find slot machines, he can't gamble.

If the overeater can't find food, he can't eat.

The same can't be said for depressed and unmotivated people - there's nothing you can take away from them in order to keep them from suffering depression or demotivation.

Since they themselves can't take those things away from themselves for their own good, the addic, the alcoholic, the gambler and the overeater really suffer from the same problem, lack of self-control.

EDIT: atwebb:

Since having self-control would suffice to stop using drugs, drinking alcohol, gambling, and overeating, therefore one who can't stop doing any of those has to be lacking self-control.

Tell me where you got lost in that argument.

I don't know where you come from, I don't know what life you've led and things you've seen.

In my experiences, self-control is hardly the actual problem. The addictions/compulsions are manifestations of the depression or the lack of self-worth or mental imbalances or personal issue X.

Or my personal favorite, "Work harder."

But, there's a backlash against people who actually loose weight in the movement. That's the part I just don't understand.