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Re:The War ISIS Wants by RobertoG on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @08:36AM (#10580887)
I find your comment very relevant and I agree with all of it but I miss some references to the influence of not Levant nations in all this mess.

To your comments I would like to add: the Russians invading Afghanistan, the CIA arming and training of all kind of "rebels", the invasion of Irak, the protection of the House of Saud by the EUA, the interest of Israel in being the only strong nation in the area, the support of dictatorial regimens (and their removal) by the "western powers", etc..

It's almost impossible to solve a problem without understanding it. And this is not a simple problem.

Re:The War ISIS Wants by rdtsc on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @11:34AM (#10582154)
Also the funding of the Syrian rebels by Obama and other Western nations. ISIS was just one of the groups in the Syrian civil war, a bunch brutal and crazy idiots, that would have never amounted to anything.

At the same time CIA wanted to destabilize the region, to kick the currently Russia-friendly government out (and as a consequence kick Russia out of its pretty much only naval base in the region). So they kept funneling funds, training and weapons to the "moderate" rebels.

Of course all those weapons (along with many left behind in Iraq), and all those "moderate" rebels switched to ISIS. Now you can either say CIA is stupid or malicious. Stupid because despite the $100B in funding, they couldn't foresee it and it was a surprise, or it was pretty much the plan.

One can say, at the end of the day what are they (and many other military and intelligence) branches will do if is there is no new threat to worry about. "No drones or SIGINT targets, no promotions and paychecks". Both for military industrial complex and the government employees alike.

Either way I find it interesting how this was spun as a surprise to the media: "We had no idea why ISIS grew so fast, and managed to occupy so much territory. Not really sure how they got those modern tank killer missiles they keep making videos with...".

Re:The War ISIS Wants by knowaveragejoe on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @12:19PM (#10582544)
Source for "all those "moderate" rebels switched to ISIS"? Source for "$100B in funding"? This smacks of conspiracy claptrap that adds nothing of substance to the discussion.
Re:The War ISIS Wants by rdtsc on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @12:45PM (#10582713)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_...

"Defense Intelligence $80.1 billion[12] 3.3% Because of classified nature, budget is an estimate and may not be the actual figure"

Something makes me doubt another $20B into the intelligence budget would have changed the outcome for the better.

More sauce:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/1...

https://en.zamanalwsl.net/readNews.php?id=5696 (translated)

http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/u-s-backed-syrian-group-joins-isl...

> This smacks of conspiracy claptrap that adds nothing of substance to the discussion.

Well, did you have anything to discuss, or just wanted sauce? Because I am not sure "src pls!" replies add much to the discussion.

Re:The War ISIS Wants by linkregister on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @01:00PM (#10582808)
I disagree that a request for sources is unwarranted in this situation. Your language assumed the reader agreed with your viewpoint based off of not-commonly-known facts: "of course... stupid because..."

I understand your decision to reply with snark to a snarky comment, but in this instance, "src pls!" does in fact add to the discussion.

Re:The War ISIS Wants by rdtsc on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @01:13PM (#10582903)
I think if they are interested in the conversation it is worth throwing more than a drive-by "srs pls" comment into it.

For example it could have been "Well I think the budget is a bit off, CIA itself doesn't get that money, did you mean the total intelligence budget".

Or "Agreed, do you have any sources for the fighters who switched side? that would be interesting to see".

Imagine you are sitting by the fire and discussing something, and someone just chimes with "src pls", "srs pls", I wouldn't consider them contributing to the discussion, rather derailing it.

So I agree, source would help here, did provide sources but responded snarky to give the person asking for them a hint (not so subtle, perhaps) that in general that is not a constructive way to hold a conversation.

Re:The War ISIS Wants by knowaveragejoe on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @02:00PM (#10583207)
That budget includes all of the intelligence apparatus' budget, ongoing research programs, so on and so forth. So likely not even close to the $100B mentioned.

Secondly, I asked for source to support the claim that "all rebels switched to ISIS", but apparently you don't have that and are just of the opinion that that is what has occurred.

Re:The War ISIS Wants by mi3law on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @08:43AM (#10580924)
Thank you for mentioning this. I'm very disappointed that many in the HN crowd seem ignorant of these very relevant events (from the comments).