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Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by titzer on Wednesday November 11, 2015 @04:09PM (#10549294)
The real reason they want depositors is fractional reserve banking. If you deposit $1, they can go borrow $10 from the federal reserve, loan it out, and be making interest on $10 of created, loaned money.
Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by infinite8s on Wednesday November 11, 2015 @04:48PM (#10549577)
That's not how the fiat system works out (there's no borrowing from the federal reserve). You deposit $10, they loan out $9, which ultimately ends up back in a bank account to be further loaned out.
Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by branchless on Wednesday November 11, 2015 @04:21PM (#10549377)
The bank of england called with some bad news:

http://bankunderground.co.uk/2015/06/30/banks-are-not-interm...

Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by retube on Wednesday November 11, 2015 @04:51PM (#10549596)
That's not what fractional reserve banking is at all.
Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by SHIT_TALKER on Wednesday November 11, 2015 @06:27PM (#10550156)
The mechanics are incorrect but he has the general idea of the benefit banks accrue from each additional deposited dollar.
Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by dwd on Thursday November 12, 2015 @12:01AM (#10551392)
Highly recommend reading Steve Keen's "The Roving Cavaliers of Credit" for a dose of reality on the whole process.

tl;dr "banks extend credit, cre­at­ing deposits in the process, and look for reserves later"

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/01/31/therovingcaval...

Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by SHIT_TALKER on Thursday November 12, 2015 @03:33PM (#10555900)
You will find no dispute from me as to whether banks actually do restrict themselves to limiting their credit creation to a ratio of their deposits. But that is how it is supposed to work.
Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by laotzu on Wednesday November 11, 2015 @05:04PM (#10549674)
According to the Fed's website, commercial banks (including foreign/international banks) can actually create and loan out up to $14,500,000 per loan and not be required to have anything backing it (0% required reserve ratio).

http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reservereq.htm

Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by rahimnathwani on Wednesday November 11, 2015 @09:49PM (#10550991)
Totally wrong. That document is not about loans. It doesn't even mention the word 'loan', except in the context of 'savings and loan associations'.

The document is about reserve requirements for deposits. Roughly speaking, if a bank takes in $100MM of deposits, it has to keep 10% of that ($10MM) in a way that's easy to access (either as cash in a vault, or as a deposit at the central bank). That way, if a depositor wants their money back, the bank will probably be able to give it to them.

If a bank has total deposits of less than $14.5MM, then the reserve ratio is 0%, instead of 3% or 10%.

Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by laotzu on Thursday November 12, 2015 @09:17AM (#10553214)
Loans are created as deposits/accounts receivables which are included in net transaction accounts. Back that loan with a Credit Default Swap and you cant skirt any reserve requirements which was exactly what ripped the world economy in 2008.
Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by rahimnathwani on Friday November 13, 2015 @01:23AM (#10558298)
This doesn't make any sense. When a bank creates a loan of $X and disburses the loan into the borrowers account, two things happen:

1) The bank's loan assets go up by $X 2) The bank's deposits go up by $X

Deposits are part of 'net transaction accounts'[0] so the bank would now need to hold 10% of $X in additional cash (e.g. in their vault).

So, it seems like the bank can create a loan of $X with just $0.1X of cash. Hang on, though. This assumes that the borrower just keeps the money in his bank account, which is unlikely. When she withdraws the money to spend it, the bank's reserve requirements go down by $0.1X (good) but they also need to pay out $X of cash (bad). So, it really did cost them $X to make $X of loan.

Now, if they have a CDS related to this loan, then they are insulated from the risk of default. But, how is that relevant to reserve requirements?

[0] "Net transaction accounts are total transaction accounts less amounts due from other depository institutions and less cash items in the process of collection."

Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by laotzu on Monday November 16, 2015 @02:28PM (#10576529)
I'm confused myself but thanks for debating. I was wrong about the 0% reserve ratio applying per account rather it is the sum total of all accounts held by the bank.
Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by kobayashi on Thursday November 12, 2015 @01:16AM (#10551586)
This info seems hard to believe and makes me think we're missing context
Re:What happens when a culture is driven by the need for mon... by rayiner on Wednesday November 11, 2015 @05:56PM (#10550000)
What? No.