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Re:Large Companies Game H-1B Visa Program by saalweachter on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @10:40AM (#10539949)
The difficulty about focusing on values is that the American value system is "fuck you, I've got my own value system".

There are millions of people in America who don't think women should have rights. There are millions of people in America who are uncomfortable with free thought. We've got racists, classists, and people who don't think that parents should be allowed to make all of the decisions about their children's upbringing. We've got corruption at all levels, and the only thing that vaguely keeps it in check is something probably fifty million Americans hate hate hate, Federal authority over the states.

You can try to claim these are marginal views, but they're really not. America may have some great things going for it, but cultural unity is not one of them.

Re:Large Companies Game H-1B Visa Program by rayiner on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @11:39AM (#10540342)
The difference is when you say there are "millions of people in America who don't think women should have rights" you're being facetious and equating not having the right to an abortion with not having any rights at all. But applied to some countries that statement wouldn't be facetious at all.
Re:Large Companies Game H-1B Visa Program by saalweachter on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @12:33PM (#10540778)
Oh, I am not being facetious at all.

There are millions of Americans who believe that women should not be working outside the home, should not be "taking up space" in higher education, should not be associating with men they aren't related to or married to, shouldn't be dressing "provocatively" and "enticing" men to harass or rape them. There are millions who don't think women should serve in the military at all, let alone in combat roles. Disowned for dating or marrying the wrong boy or girl.

I will happily admit that the US is not the worst place in the world. Honor killings and throwing acid at people doesn't really happen here, even if spousal and partner abuse still flourishes and murder by an intimate is (one of) the most common sort of murder.

The equality and respect for human rights you can find in the US is fantastic, and I'm glad pop culture promotes it as a given, but it is not a universal aspect in American culture and in many places it is just a thin veneer over some very ugly deviations, held in place by the continuing hard work of dedicated activists.

Re:Large Companies Game H-1B Visa Program by enraged_camel on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @11:37AM (#10540331)
>>America may have some great things going for it, but cultural unity is not one of them.

As an immigrant who has lived in both coasts as well as "flyover country", I totally agree. The claim that unlimited immigration would ruin American culture is laughable, because there is no such thing as "American culture". America has always been a melting pot of different cultures, much more so than any other country in the history of the world. That is what makes it unique.

Re:Large Companies Game H-1B Visa Program by serge2k on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @01:29PM (#10541259)
> The claim that unlimited immigration would ruin American culture is laughable, because there is no such thing as "American culture". America has always been a melting pot of different cultures, much more so than any other country in the history of the world. That is what makes it unique.

This same claim gets made about Canada, and I always found it particularly offensive to anyone who isn't an immigrant with a foreign culture. It's a riduclous statement anyway. The south doesn't have their own culture? East vs west coast? Europeans were pointing out yesterday that Americans have different expectations for housing (bigger housing, suburbs), is that not a part of the culture?

Isn't the idea that we are welcoming to foreign cultures, and actively embrace multiculturalism a part of the culture?

Re:Large Companies Game H-1B Visa Program by enraged_camel on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @02:25PM (#10541701)
That's exactly what I am saying: there is no homogeneous "American culture." It's a combination of many different cultures and cultural elements, some originated in America (e.g. jazz), others brought by immigrants and recalibrated for America (e.g. Tex-Mex). This cultural diversity is what makes America, America.

Compare this to, say, Norway, which is significantly more culturally homogeneous, so a sudden influx of a great number of immigrants would actually noticeably erode or at least dilute the native Norwegian culture.

Re:Large Companies Game H-1B Visa Program by harryh on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @03:14PM (#10542127)
While our culture is certainly more diverse than Norway's, I absolutely think that there are American values that, while certainly not held by all, do define us as a nation. Among them I would include:

- Pluralism

- A belief in the value of hard work

- A strong commitment to individual rights / individualism

- A certain degree of puritanism

- A belief in American Exceptionalism

- A belief that fairness should always be aspired to

- A fairly strong commitment to market capitalism

- A healthy dose of skepticism that government intervention is the solution to many problems

- A commitment that the "American Dream" is something that we should always strive to make real for everyone

Re:Large Companies Game H-1B Visa Program by enraged_camel on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @05:14PM (#10542994)
None of those are American values or uniquely American. The belief in the value of hard work is a Puritan value, for instance. And everything else you listed is, to a certain extent (sometimes exceedingly so), shared by many other cultures. You think only Americans are skeptical of government intervention? You should travel to Turkey sometime and talk to some of my countrymen about what they think of the Turkish government. :)
Re:Large Companies Game H-1B Visa Program by harryh on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @05:39PM (#10543156)
Individual items in this list are certainly not unique, but I think that the list as a whole (with probably an addition or three) combined in the particular way that America does it is unique.
Re:Large Companies Game H-1B Visa Program by saalweachter on Wednesday November 11, 2015 @07:29AM (#10546296)
Yeah, but if you're willing to admit that these values are not universally or uniquely held by Americans, what is the problem?

If the Average American only holds 6 out of 10 of your imaginary Core American Values, what does it matter if we invite in a hundred million New Americans who also only hold 6 out of the 10, because they were from a different culture? Where is the assimilation problem?

(Also, "free market capitalism" and "skeptical of government intervention"? Really? Are you living in a bubble or just willfully pretending that the last 100 years of American history don't exist?)