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Re:Africans are mainly rich or poor, but not middle class by thaumasiotes on Sunday November 08, 2015 @08:08PM (#10530870)
You linked "Ancient Carthage" to support your point, so let me point out that the Carthaginians who fought against Rome were Phoenician colonists.

Africa north of the Sahara is part of the Mediterranean world. It shares population, culture, and trade with that world. It shares very little with black Africa.

Africa south of the Sahara is something completely different. If you say "Africa" today, that's what people will think of.

Re:Africans are mainly rich or poor, but not middle class by meric on Sunday November 08, 2015 @08:23PM (#10530922)
Black North African. An 17th century painting of Moors from North Africa, from Othello. He looks quite black to me. These are the Moors who conquered Spain, by the way. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Othellop...

Black Egyptians. http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptfarming3.jpg

If you say "Africa" today, that's what people will think of.

Yeah, but our point of discussion is Africa in 1000BC. Plenty of black people there in those times.

And lastly, not only blacks can be African.

https://www.quora.com/Racial-and-Ethnic-Groups/Do-white-peop...

And according to a mainstream theory of human migration, and your perspective that people who live in Africa but descended from Phoenicians aren't "African", we're all Africans, because we are all African colonists of the entire world.

Re:Africans are mainly rich or poor, but not middle class by nradov on Sunday November 08, 2015 @11:44PM (#10531440)
Which "people"? Certainly not anyone who paid attention in geography class. If we specifically mean sub-Saharan Africa then let's use that term instead of something more general.