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Re:The future of the postdoc by hudibras on Sunday November 08, 2015 @07:44AM (#10528337)
"3. Those people actually employed in research positions in American universities are majority foreign."

Even if this was true (which I doubt), that just reinforces the article's contention that postdocs aren't paid enough: the jobs are only attractive to foreigners, while Americans have other options.

Re:The future of the postdoc by collyw on Sunday November 08, 2015 @03:00PM (#10529624)
Getting a visa to work in academia seems to be way easier than for private sector jobs. (I have ben working in academia in Europe and many people I know finished their PhD's and do postdocs in the states. One friend has changed to working in a company, but says it took nearly a year to get the paperwork sorted).
Re:The future of the postdoc by robotresearcher on Sunday November 08, 2015 @03:15PM (#10529683)
Another explanation:

More than 95% of people in the world are not American, and good American universities have access to the top talent. If the US is doing a competent job of hiring the best people then the majority of these researchers will not be American-born.

Re:The future of the postdoc by hudibras on Sunday November 08, 2015 @07:28PM (#10530746)
Or a counter explanation:

1. American colleges are still overwhelmingly the best in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Univ...

2. 96% of students at American colleges are American. http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2014/...

Re:The future of the postdoc by robotresearcher on Sunday November 08, 2015 @07:39PM (#10530790)
How does that explain the large numbers of foreign researchers?
Re:The future of the postdoc by bsilvereagle on Sunday November 08, 2015 @10:39AM (#10528743)
Anecdotally, ~50% of the faculty in my department at a large American public university are foreigners. I've been told, but not verified, that if you count dual-citizens, that number gets closer to 65%.
Re:The future of the postdoc by hudibras on Sunday November 08, 2015 @07:30PM (#10530750)
Anecdotes are great.

Did some digging and found this article from 2012 which says that 38% of researchers in the U.S. are foreigners.

http://www.nature.com/news/global-mobility-science-on-the-mo...

Re:The future of the postdoc by parennoob on Sunday November 08, 2015 @10:59AM (#10528809)
> I've been told, but not verified, that if you count dual-citizens, that number gets closer to 65%.

Why on earth would you group dual citizens in the same category as foreigners?

Even if 100% of the faculty are dual citizens (Americans + something else), it would still be 100% American.

Re:The future of the postdoc by T-A on Sunday November 08, 2015 @01:51PM (#10529371)
Because realistically, most of those dual citizens started out as foreigners and were eventually naturalized as a consequence of pursuing an academic career in the US.
Re:The future of the postdoc by adenadel on Sunday November 08, 2015 @01:44PM (#10529346)
My guess would be that a large number of dual citizens obtained their citizenship in the course of their scientific work. It speaks to the training problem we have.
Re:The future of the postdoc by omginternets on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @03:47PM (#10583837)
Because many foreign cultures value education more than the U.S., overall.