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Re:CIA Email Hackers Return with Major Law Enforcement Breach by pdkl95 on Saturday November 07, 2015 @12:01PM (#10525335)
"Defense in Depth" is always important. The article I linked to above[2] about how it's incredibly stupid to try an enumerate badness (aka "default permit") has in it's list other stupid excuses we hear all the time:

    "We don't need a firewall, we have good host security"
    "We don't need host security, we have a good firewall"
I bet the people that say that kind of nonsense have a lock on their server room door even after hiring a guard that watches the building's main entrance.

This kind of practical defense isn't the only thing we've been skipping. We need a lot more basic research into how to secure modern technology. We need a design culture that isn't building features that require insecurity.

It is limiting top think of this problem as a "cybesecurity" problem. These same technologies will create problems in all areas of life, so we need a lot more education about what capabilities exist how they can be used. We need to be teaching people - from a very young age - what happens to your {meta,}data in a world with permanent data storage and powerful machine learning analysis. We need this education "yesterday", as these problems are not theoretical anymore[5].

[5] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.h...

Re:CIA Email Hackers Return with Major Law Enforcement Breach by bburshteyn on Saturday November 07, 2015 @12:14PM (#10525382)
You are right on.

We're working on something in this vein -- https://www.trycryptomove.com -- our technology does security via continuous concealment. Actively defends against insider attacks and catastrophic breaches, because the attacker can't even identify the data.

We've gotten two types of reactions: (1) we get it, layered security, defense in depth; (2) solution in search of a problem, we have good host security, we have a good firewall, legacy data-at-rest security is good enough. Thankfully far more of #1 than #2, but it's telling about an organization's approach to security.

Re:CIA Email Hackers Return with Major Law Enforcement Breach by akshatpradhan on Saturday November 07, 2015 @12:41PM (#10525501)
>our technology does security via continuous concealment.

IMO, this isn't a castle approach. Its more like you've added a security control to help with Data Retention.

Re:CIA Email Hackers Return with Major Law Enforcement Breach by akshatpradhan on Sunday November 08, 2015 @12:30AM (#10527633)
Who is saying this?

>We don't need a firewall, we have good host security >We don't need host security, we have a good firewall

Re:CIA Email Hackers Return with Major Law Enforcement Breach by pdkl95 on Sunday November 08, 2015 @01:23AM (#10527755)
Most businesses from the beginning of the internet to a few years ago? (I'm not sure how common it is now).

The "quote" (paraphrase of a very-common attitude) is from this link in my first post:

http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/d...