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Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by GordonS on Friday November 06, 2015 @08:54AM (#10519417)
> No, opium is highly addictive

As you doubtless know, I didn't say it wasn't - I said it was less addictive that 'pharmaceutical grade' opioids.

Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by refurb on Friday November 06, 2015 @10:36AM (#10519947)
I don't think there is any evidence for that. Dried opium is 10% morphine. If you take 10 mg of morphine or 100 mg of opium, it makes no difference, you're still getting the same amount of an addictive drug.
Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by GordonS on Friday November 06, 2015 @10:48AM (#10520031)
It does make a difference - opium is comprised of many alkaloids, in a similar way to how cannabis is made up of many cannabinoids. These alkaloids increase or decrease the effects of each other, as well as exerting their own influence.
Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by refurb on Friday November 06, 2015 @10:57AM (#10520094)
Yes, but you're still getting 10 mg of morphine. Other alkaloids aren't going to change how addictive 10 mg of morphine is.

In fact, pure morphine has fewer side effects than opium. Opium has alkaloids that can cause severe nausea, etc.

Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by GordonS on Friday November 06, 2015 @11:27AM (#10520277)
> Opium has alkaloids that can cause severe nausea, etc.

Yes, it's well known that the alkaloid morphine causes nausea[1]. I can tolerate up to 30mg of immediate-release morphine (prescribed!), but beyond that I get bad nausea that is seriously off-putting. The nausea would certainly be a barrier to me getting addicted!

http://www.amepc.org/apm/article/view/1038/1264

Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by facetube on Friday November 06, 2015 @10:36AM (#10519953)
It's not, though. At all. It literally contains morphine. It's harder to judge the dose. You will develop dependence every bit as quickly, and you can die from respiratory depression if the dose is too high.
Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by logfromblammo on Friday November 06, 2015 @11:14AM (#10520203)
Unlike purified morphine, raw opium can be selectively bred--or engineered--for qualities desired by humans. One such quality might be lower incidence of accidental overdose.

So perhaps the poppy also produces a substance that creates an aversion affect (probably due to extreme nausea) when it reaches a certain concentration in the body. If you approach an overdose, you might start puking your guts out, and wouldn't even be able to look at a 1928 O'Keeffe painting without clamping your jaw shut.

With purified morphine or heroin or methadone, you might just fall asleep and never wake up.

But the raw plant material might also contain something you don't know about that erodes the septum in your heart, and you die from chronic use instead of overdose. That's just one of the risks with whole-plant drugs.

Generally speaking, we have attempted to eliminate hidden side effects by using purified molecules, and attempted to overcome overdose by using prescriptions from trained experts. That isn't necessarily the best or only way to run civilization's pharmacy.

Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by facetube on Friday November 06, 2015 @05:59PM (#10522620)
What would create that aversion effect? Thebaine? Anything's possible, I guess – but I haven't seen much evidence that there's any component of raw opium that can substantially slow or stop the respiratory depression and/or reinforcing effects.
Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by GordonS on Friday November 06, 2015 @10:46AM (#10520019)
I'm not saying it's not addictive, or that it's not dangerous - it is.

Morphine is however just one of the many alkaloids that make up opium - together they have a different effect than morphine alone.

I can't quickly find a reference beyond Wikipedia[1] that mentions opium being less addictive than, for example, morphine, but I read a lot of papers on drugs and have read this before. I'll try and find some and post back if I do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine

Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by DanBC on Friday November 06, 2015 @03:33PM (#10521826)
You said "much less addictive". People are responding to the words you write.
Re:Prescription painkiller deaths fall in medical marijuana ... by facetube on Friday November 06, 2015 @06:03PM (#10522641)
A bunch of years back, there was a minor internet epidemic of people ordering poppy pod arrangements off of eBay and brewing them in to tea. It proved every bit as addictive as abusing morphine. There are a lot of plants out there that have a safety-favourable agonist/antagonist mix, but I'm not sure opium is one of them.