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Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by wlesieutre on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:00PM (#10509194)
East Rock resident, saw this in the paper. Apparently it's legal as part of their "community caretaker" function, with some previous discussion on r/Connecticut https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/3r7tl5/new_hav...

One thing being ignored by a lot of the conversation that the police are at least going to be running plates and trying to call people, but I still don't love the idea.

Also have to wonder if once they open your car, can the police can just say "It smelled like weed" and search all your stuff?

Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by mikestew on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:18PM (#10509346)
Also have to wonder if once they open your car, can the police can just say "It smelled like weed" and search all your stuff?

The cynical side of me says that this is exactly why they're doing it, under the cover of doing the community a "favor". "Brilliant, Jones, just brilliant. I see lieutenant bars in your future."

Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by wlesieutre on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:30PM (#10509454)
I think the answer to this is "yes." Did a bit of looking into the first Supreme Court case that established this exception: http://www.radford.edu/content/va-chiefs/home/august-2012/co...

In that case, the police searched the car of a Chicago police officer who was in a coma at a local hospital. They were aiming to secure his revolver, which Chicago police were required to carry at all times.

Instead, they found evidence of a possible crime, discovered the body of a murder victim, were able to link the officer to the murder, and he was charged as a result of the warrantless search.

The Supreme Court allowed the search, saying that the officers were engaged in activities completely separate from their crime investigation/enforcement when they searched the car.

Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by mikestew on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:36PM (#10509497)
Boy, as a non-lawyer, it seems to me the two aren't even related. It's one thing for your job to require you to secure an item from a vehicle (don't want police sidearms running around loose in Chicago), and you trip across evidence of a crime. Quite another to just make up excuses (pardon me, laws) to enter any random vehicle ("we were concerned that someone would break into the vehicle and steal that enticing pack of Wrigley's gum.") and search it for other evidence.

Let's pretend what conversations might be like for the two situations. "Man, sucks about Jones. Hope he comes out of it. sigh, let's go get his sidearm. I hate doing this, breaking into a guy's car like this. Oh, shit dude, isn't this the shirt that the murder victim was last seen wearing? I don't like where this might lead. But we've gotta follow up, right?"

Versus: "BMW 3 series, unlocked, left his phone in the cup holder. Let's see what else we can find."

Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by wlesieutre on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @04:03PM (#10509738)
Entirely agreed. Not a lawyer though, and it's certainly possible that the other cases on the subject have narrowed its scope. No time to read up on them at the moment.
Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by tptacek on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:32PM (#10509468)
Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by mikeash on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:08PM (#10509248)
Those comments raise an interesting question: why aren't the police just locking the cars?
Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by huac on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:13PM (#10509291)
because thieves would smash the windows instead! which of course begs the question, why bother with unlocked cars if any car is equally a target?

(rolling probable cause is why)

Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by nkrisc on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:20PM (#10509360)
Because an unlocked car is a situation that can be addressed while a locked car is one that can not, likely reducing the overall number occurrences. Also, an unlocked car is a lower barrier for a potential thief as well. They may choose to pass up a locked car while an unlocked is a much easier target.
Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:28PM (#10509423)
> Because an unlocked car is a situation that can be addressed while a locked car is one that can not

They could, by the same logic by which they steal (er, "confiscate") goods that are visible in unlocked cars, just tow away locked cars that have visible goods in them that are an "invitation to thieves". Or, for that matter, locked or unlocked cars that, by their value and ease of theft are, themselves, "invitations to thieves".

Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by mikeash on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:34PM (#10509480)
Or they could get one of those key fob repeaters to unlock any car with a keyless entry system if the owner is nearby.
Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by kelnos on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:37PM (#10509505)
I doubt it. From the description of the "caretaker law" presented in the article, it only allows for this sort of behavior for an unlocked vehicle. They wouldn't have grounds to tow a locked vehicle because leaving valuables in plain sight in a locked vehicle, while stupid, isn't a crime.
Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by Zikes on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:12PM (#10509283)
The implication is that thieves will break the windows and snatch whatever they can. Since the police can't break the windows and "hold the contents for safekeeping" they have to skip the locked cars.
Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by dogma1138 on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @08:52PM (#10511103)
Not all thieves will break a window, especially if it's in daylight in an open parking lot / or street parking, more likely they might just go around looking for unlocked cars especially in places where people tend to run errands mid day in which case they might leave the car unlocked if they only pop out for 5min.

A guy taking something out of the back/front seat isn't as suspicious as some on going around with a crawbar smashing windows.

I've seen individuals going around a parking lot actively looking for unlocked cars couple of times in my life usually a blow of a horn scares them off.

Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by mikeash on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:24PM (#10509391)
The article says the police will first run the plate and try to contact the owner before they take the stuff. Will they be doing this for locked cars too?
Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by Zikes on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:27PM (#10509420)
One would hope.
Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by mikeash on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:30PM (#10509450)
According to this article, yes:

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/...

Another interesting tidbit from that: you have to show ID to get your stuff back, and you can only pick it up between 9:30AM and 3:30PM on weekdays. Which is pretty unbelievably shitty.

Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by chris_wot on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:39PM (#10509523)
And they can sell your stuff after 60 days!
Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @04:26PM (#10509906)
> And they can sell your stuff after 60 days!

While there might, somehow, be some arguments that the temporary hold to prevent attracting thieves is neither a deprivation of property without due process (prohibited by the 14th Amendment), nor an unreasonable seizure (prohibited by the 4th Amendment), nor a taking for public use (prohibited by the 5th Amendment) -- though I still think its likely to be at least one of those -- I'm having more trouble seeing even a remote argument for how taking personal property from an unlocked car and selling it, with the proceeds going to the government, can fail to be either a deprivation of property without due process or a taking without just compensation.

Moreover, its exactly the same kind of permanent deprivation of the owners property that the policy is notionally supposed to prevent. "In order to stop your stuff from getting stolen, we had to steal it."

Really?

Re:Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area, ... by dogma1138 on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @08:47PM (#10511083)
Probably because they want to "raise awareness" and also on the off chance that the owner's keys are inside the car and if they will be locked out the Police might turn out to be liable.