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Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by emmett on Sunday January 27, 2008 @01:41PM (#105059)
The disturbing part here is that prep schools actually are good. If they were extravagant wastes of money, they would be irrelevant.

The reason we have public education is that we're trying to give everyone an equal footing to start out in life. This goal is unachievable, but anything that further stretches the distance between the children of the poor and the children of the rich raises alarm bells for me.

I wish I had a good suggestion as to what to do about it.

Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by jsnx on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:17PM (#105266)
The reason we have public education...

...is to allow the economy to function more efficiently, through pervasive literacy, use of numbers, &c. It's in the interest of the wealthy if they can off load some of the organizational details to a large class of literate servants, but that's not the same as giving everyone a shot at wealth and power.

Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by mynameishere on Sunday January 27, 2008 @01:53PM (#105069)
children of the rich

I think it's clear that these schools are using their endowments to pick up smart, but (relatively) poor kids. To a lot of people, that's no comfort, as a cognitive aristocracy is no better than a financial aristocracy. The strategy at the ivies has been to filter for both the very smart and the very rich. This gives aptitude access to capital.

If this article was about a high-end public school that got its budget from seized money (eg property taxes), then rest assured that the private-school-educated NYTs editors would have suggested some forceful "fixes" for the "problem".

Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by dgabriel on Monday January 28, 2008 @11:57AM (#105624)
Your comment immediately reminded me of Bill Murray's speech in Rushmore -

"You guys have it real easy. I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich.

But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you." - Herman Blume, speech to Rushmore Academy

Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by bokonist on Sunday January 27, 2008 @05:07PM (#105153)
I went to Exeter and Yale and found it the opposite. Yale was smarter and the students weren't quite as well off.
Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by mynameishere on Sunday January 27, 2008 @07:07PM (#105203)
What is "it"? What is "it" the opposite of? You're getting a lot of upmods for a very badly constructed sentence.

(EDIT: I guess I sound like a jerk. I'm just wondering actually...)

Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by ovi256 on Sunday January 27, 2008 @04:29PM (#105138)
Do you never wonder how other countries do it? US ranks pretty low among developped (and even developping) countries in education.

>This goal is unachievable

I completely disagree with you. It is achieveble, not easily, but neither is it so difficult. Hint: it's completely incongruent with "No Child Left Behind". Leave the important stuff to tehnocrats, not politicians.

Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by curi on Sunday January 27, 2008 @07:16PM (#105207)
Ranks well at what? Standardized test scores?

Asian countries in general, and I know about Japan in particular, are very very harsh to students. Test scores up, freedom down. If our children don't put up with that kind of thing, maybe that speaks well of us.

Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by jsnx on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:15PM (#105262)
If it were just Asian countries, I might agree; but the U.S. lags those wild and free Northern European countries in matters like math skills and foreign language training.
Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by hollerith on Sunday January 27, 2008 @10:24PM (#105308)
According to ESL teachers, it takes seven years for an adult to learn a new language well enough that native speakers will want to talk to you. Although a child can probably acquire a language in less time than that, it is also true that the child will lose the language if he or she stops using it before adulthood. I have seen many arguments for the value of learning a second language, but they all strike me as flimsy. Please tell me why a student who already knows English or even Spanish or Mandarin should invest thousands of hours learning a second language when there are more than enough sciences and practical arts with much clearer educational value to last anyone a lifetime of learning.
Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by jsnx on Monday January 28, 2008 @04:06AM (#105438)
Well, if you don't place much weight on foreign language, that's okay -- my point still stands. U.S. performance in math and science is comparatively disappointing.

I can't really agree with your position on language learning, but I'm a little biased. I've studied Ancient Greek, German, Chinese and Middle English.

Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by edu on Monday January 28, 2008 @03:37AM (#105428)
Well, it is easy. Mandarin is a quite useful language if you are living in China, but it wouldn't help you if you are in Iceland.

Also, I've heard (don't remember where...) that not all languages are equal when conveying an idea: for example eskimos have a lot of words for snow and white. Some concepts would be very hard to express in any other language.

My point of view is clearly viased: I speak Catalan and Spanish (mother tongues) and I'm more or less fluent in English (hoping to take the CPE this june).

Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by imsteve on Monday January 28, 2008 @03:28AM (#105422)
Do you really want to bring up the importance of foreign language training in schools?
Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by asdflkj on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:14PM (#105261)
What exactly "kind of thing" do you mean?
Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by rms on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:19PM (#105267)
There is a very, very strong emphasis on rote memorization throughout Asian schools, over things like working in groups.
Re:1 Billion Dollar High School by curi on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:20PM (#105268)
the essential issue is obedience. obedient children devote their creativity and effort into doing as their parents and teachers want, such as getting good test scores.

one way to try to observe obedience is to look at how harsh conditions people will accept when told to, without complaining and trying to do something about it. everything i know about japanese schools points to a lot more pressure on students to be studious and that kind of thing, and a lot less complaining about any decisions by authorities.