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Re:New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017 by sp332 on Monday November 02, 2015 @12:51PM (#10493595)
Wrath of Khan is only good because of Mantalban. The movies didn't really pick up until the fourth one, when they stopped taking them so seriously and just had some fun making a movie.

And at least a handful of good episodes exist. There are no such specimens among the (two) new movies.

Re:New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017 by zzalpha on Monday November 02, 2015 @12:57PM (#10493641)
Wrath of Khan is only good because of Mantalban. The movies didn't really pick up until the fourth one, when they stopped taking them so seriously and just had some fun making a movie.

So you're a "Trouble with Tribbles" kind of a guy/girl.

Nothing wrong with that at all, everyone has different tastes!

But we'll agree to disagree. While Khan is clearly an action film first, it's an exploration of Kirk as a character, which is interesting. And that ending...

Frankly, I'll put myself in the minority by stating that I personally think The Voyage Home was frickin' awful... really, a fish-out-of-water tale (well, mammal-out-of-water...) via time travel? sigh

But that's just my opinion. :)

Re:New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017 by ant6n on Monday November 02, 2015 @06:27PM (#10496159)
Star Trek IV is definitely a lazy, dumb (object) story serving as a thin layer to make some point about 80ies environmentalism. But it's still a lot of fun, and thus one of my favorites.
Re:New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017 by sp332 on Monday November 02, 2015 @01:12PM (#10493774)
It's not like space operas ever made sense :)