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Re:A Way to Detect Bias by iand on Saturday October 31, 2015 @08:04PM (#10484798)
This well-circulated image shows that making everyone a winner has merit in some circumstances.

http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-equality-justic...

The left hand side is fair rules, the right hand side shows a fair outcome

Re:A Way to Detect Bias by bmmayer1 on Saturday October 31, 2015 @08:41PM (#10484915)
It's never a bad idea to think about how these ideas play out when taken to their logical conclusion.

Kurt Vonnegut on the subject: http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

Re:A Way to Detect Bias by Asbostos on Saturday October 31, 2015 @09:18PM (#10485011)
That's alright if the goal is to help the individuals, like welfare. But it's not OK if the goal is to get people to do the most extreme things, like job applicant selection looking for a "best" applicant or baseball team for a best player. A person who can be successful without needing as many boxes to stand on as others.

Don't forget that it's these "best" people who add a vastly disproportionate amount of value to the world. They're the ones who invent new technology and discover new science. We all benefit greatly from their success.

Re:A Way to Detect Bias by vog on Saturday October 31, 2015 @08:14PM (#10484840)
The link is down (shows a jpeg with a single white pixel), but I guess that one is the same:

http://themetapicture.com/points-of-view/

Re:A Way to Detect Bias by getsat on Sunday November 01, 2015 @12:16PM (#10487124)
It's really more like this version of the image: http://i.imgur.com/DqKXPF3.png
Re:A Way to Detect Bias by rewqfdsa on Saturday October 31, 2015 @08:10PM (#10484823)
The baseball game in the image wouldn't be worth if equality of outcome were the rule for baseball team tryouts. The entire game is based on fair competition under the rules pushing participants toward excellence.

Inequality of outcome is the entire reason we see baseball played at a high level. When you demand equality of outcome regardless of talent or effort, you're asking for society to stagnate. You're asking for pervasive mediocrity. You're asking for us to kill effort and motivation. No thanks.

Re:A Way to Detect Bias by pygy_ on Saturday October 31, 2015 @11:16PM (#10485283)
You're beating a straw man. He said in some circumstances.
Re:A Way to Detect Bias by rewqfdsa on Saturday October 31, 2015 @11:44PM (#10485338)
Yet he didn't list any or describe any criteria for evaluating them. The "in some circumstances" bit was just a way to weasel out of potential objections.
Re:A Way to Detect Bias by pygy_ on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:23PM (#10488370)
I thought the example was pretty obvious.