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Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by aluhut on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @11:25AM (#10464943)
How do you measure it it has been effective when the successful liar passes the test and is not defined as such?
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by simonh on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @01:02PM (#10465729)
If you catch X people trying to blow up a plane and no planes get blown up, that's fairly good evidence that your method of catching people trying to blow up planes has been 100% successful. So far.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by pdeuchler on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @02:49PM (#10466449)
This is one hell of a post hoc ergo propter hoc, I'll give you that at least
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by CamperBob2 on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @06:43PM (#10467930)
What's wrong with it? He's not making the usual "tiger-proof rock" argument used to refer to the TSA, after all. The TSA doesn't, as a rule, catch people who were actually planning to cause trouble. They either catch people who didn't know/care how much toothpaste they were allowed to smuggle onboard, or they catch idiots who forgot they were carrying a .50 caliber Desert Eagle in their shaving kit. This is a different argument altogether.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by chias on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @02:27PM (#10466318)
That is an extraordinarily dangerous notion.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by YeGoblynQueenne on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @05:05PM (#10467405)
Or maybe the people trying to blow up planes are just as bad at blowing up planes as you are at catching them.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by fnordfnordfnord on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @03:36PM (#10466766)
Want to buy an elephant whistle?
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by cuckcuckspruce on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @04:34PM (#10467204)
The difference is that there are many groups who have publicly declared their intent to blow up Israeli airliners, so it's not as if you're defending against a non-existent threat.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by hugh4 on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @06:04PM (#10467760)
No, but if my security guards keep turning away actual elephants at the border and I find no actual elephants nearby then I can conclude that my anti-elephant security works.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by backtoyoujim on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @05:12PM (#10467451)
Do you know that you have a banana in your ear?
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by frandroid on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @11:48AM (#10465077)
You raise an interesting conundrum, but you can tell of a certain success rate by the number of liars who eventually confess to lying or are found to have been lying.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by aluhut on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @03:29PM (#10466724)
Wouldn't that be just the same case as with the caught liars but extended to a group of people who despite being successful at the interview failed fulfilling the task? There is still an unknown group of "liars" who passed the test and never confessed.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by sageikosa on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @01:11PM (#10465806)
They could be lying about whether they were lying in the past.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by frandroid on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @03:16PM (#10466615)
We're talking about legal contexts here. Almost no one, unless coerced/brutalized by police/DAs, admits to crimes they did not commit. And the you have the thing where you can verify their admission of guilt with corroborating details.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by rdtsc on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @03:25PM (#10466685)
There have many many many cases of individuals getting behind bars because they have been coerced to plead guilty and confess to crimes that they never committed.

"unless coerced/brutalized by police/DAs" is not really exceptional, once in a decade, type case, sadly it is rather routine.

Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @03:30PM (#10466729)
I know personally a person who plea-bargained, which means admitting to a crime they didn't commit, because the likelihood of being convicted (and the penalty of conviction) was so great a threat. He pled to a lesser crime (that he also didn't commit) and served 5 years.
Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by alchemism on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @11:44PM (#10469133)
Sadly, there is a systematic problem in which many must plead guilty because they will be punished beyond measure if they do not. It is structural and endemic in American justice:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/nov/20/why-inn...

(EDIT: And this one) http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/magazine/the-bail-trap.htm...

Re:How to detect lies with a storytelling technique by venomsnake on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @02:13PM (#10466218)
General level of terror in Israel? It is absurdly low compared to the threats that surround them (lets not go into if such threats are warranted or not)