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Re:The Rise and Fall of For-Profit Schools by mason240 on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @10:55AM (#10464793)
All three of those are true with public schools systems.
Re:The Rise and Fall of For-Profit Schools by a-priori on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @12:03PM (#10465181)
In the United States maybe. Elsewhere, public school systems seem to be able to deliver a high quality education at a reasonable cost to the public.

In Ontario, Canada, the public spent $23.6B on education in the 2013-2014 fiscal year. That's total cost, including salaries and building maintenance and supplies and everything else that goes into running an education system. That works out to $11.7k per student per year based on 2,015,411 students in the 2013-2014 school year.

That's similar to what you'd pay in private school tuition, and that's with all the bureaucracy and unions and teacher's salaries (teachers here top out at around $100k salary) and all the other things people complain about as reasons public schooling is a waste of money. It's not; it's about the same cost as private schooling.

But with public funding, a good education is available to everyone, and the public has more direct oversight of the curricula and of standards. As a result, Canada scores well in international school rankings, similar to the best European countries -- which are also, almost universally, funded publically (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PISA_2012#Results).

Re:The Rise and Fall of For-Profit Schools by ThomPete on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @12:38PM (#10465519)
No they don't really. Same problem most places with public school system. Even a country like Denmark that spends quite a lot on education these problems exist.

Canada, Finland, Singapore and South Korea are some of the exceptions as far as I remember.

Re:The Rise and Fall of For-Profit Schools by wfo on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @11:46AM (#10465067)
No. Public schools don't get to pre-select their students and then claim to ourperform other schools because they just picked the best ones. Public schools are not faith-based. Public schools do not have enormous administrative salaries
Re:The Rise and Fall of For-Profit Schools by mason240 on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @12:38PM (#10465524)
1) Graft is common, with charter school administrators sometimes taking home ludicrous salaries ($500k+ for schools with ~1,000 students)

True for public schools.

2) Funding often comes directly from the local school district, most of which are already severely cash-strapped. The problem here is that the cost of a single student attending a school district is largely buried in fixed costs: when the state takes $6000/yr from a district and gives it to a charter school, the district's costs do not decrease by $6000. This makes school districts worse, which accelerates flight to charter / private schools.

Open enrollment causes the same issues.

3) Educational standards are different -- Also, most states offer some sort of funding incentive based on test scores -- which just encourages schools to play the numbers game by finding reasons to suspend/expel struggling students, encourage cheating on tests, etc.

True for public schools.

Re:The Rise and Fall of For-Profit Schools by ThomPete on Wednesday October 28, 2015 @12:16PM (#10465281)
Neither does charter schools like Success Academy. Instead it's a lottery.

Public shools in NY are zoned so if you want your kid to go to that good school in Tribecca you most probably have to move there.