Swarm vs. Fleet vs. Kubernetes vs. Mesos

Re:Swarm vs. Fleet vs. Kubernetes vs. Mesos by DannoHung on Friday October 23, 2015 @10:27AM (#10438752)

The one thing I don't totally understand about the Kubernetes scaling issue is that you can ostensibly use Mesos as the scheduler for Kubernetes, which naively to me seems like it would allow Kubernetes to scale to the same size as Mesos, or is the DNS and Service stuff the part that doesn't scale as well?

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Re:Swarm vs. Fleet vs. Kubernetes vs. Mesos by a1r on Friday October 23, 2015 @11:13AM (#10439070)

Absolutely! We're actively working on this here at Mesosphere, in partnership with Google. You can check out the project at https://github.com/mesosphere/kubernetes-mesos

You might also be interested in a talk I gave at the Kubernetes launch in August about our work coming the two: https://youtu.be/aXcdHwQ5GgQ

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Re:Swarm vs. Fleet vs. Kubernetes vs. Mesos by TheIronYuppie on Friday October 23, 2015 @02:56PM (#10440588)

Full disclosure, I work at Google on Kubernetes.

a1r is exactly right - Mesos does great in virtualizing your data center, Kubernetes is a framework on top of that.

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Re:Swarm vs. Fleet vs. Kubernetes vs. Mesos by theptip on Friday October 23, 2015 @12:58PM (#10439821)

There are a bunch of scale limits in Kubernetes itself that are being chipped away at; the bottleneck is not the scheduler, so plugging a new scheduler in won't make the system more performant.

Here's a blog discussing the current state of K8s scale: http://blog.kubernetes.io/2015/09/kubernetes-performance-mea...

Note that Bob Wise at Samsung has been driving some horizontal scale testing, and has got a 1000-node cluster up and running, so that's a current "best case" scale number.

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Re:Swarm vs. Fleet vs. Kubernetes vs. Mesos by robszumski on Friday October 23, 2015 @03:54PM (#10440933)

Here's Bob's video of a 1000 machines running on CoreOS' Tectonic product: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bHUsBhPL20

(work at CoreOS)

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Re:Swarm vs. Fleet vs. Kubernetes vs. Mesos by amouat on Friday October 23, 2015 @10:34AM (#10438803)

I think Kubernetes on top of Mesos may become a reasonably common set-up, largely because it allows diverse workloads that can drive better usage and efficiency.

I'm not sure what the trade-offs are with running Kubernetes on Mesos - that would make for an interesting article.

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Re:Swarm vs. Fleet vs. Kubernetes vs. Mesos by tknaup on Friday October 23, 2015 @12:29PM (#10439634)

(Mesosphere co-founder here)

Running workload-specific schedulers like Kubernetes on Mesos is one of its fundamental ideas. From the paper:

"It seems clear that new cluster computing frameworks will continue to emerge, and that no framework will be optimal for all applications. Therefore, organizations will want to run multiple frameworks in the same cluster, picking the best one for each application."

https://people.csail.mit.edu/matei/papers/2011/nsdi_mesos.pd...

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