DOS Ain't Done Til Lotus Won't Run? (2005)

Re:DOS Ain't Done Til Lotus Won't Run? (2005) by eropple on Thursday October 22, 2015 @01:46PM (#10433641)

That other hand and its callbacks to anti-competitive behavior and whispers of monopolies don't have much bearing on anything unless you are prepared to substantiate exactly how this behavior impacts the market share of other competitors. (I wish you luck on that very, very long row to hoe.)

Meanwhile, even that "good behaving" Linux distro will happily remove Windows's boot record in favor of GRUB's, rendering the system reliant on a component that breaks if you want to remove Linux (and most people are way more likely to want to remove Linux than to remove Windows!). Hardly neighborly behavior in and of itself. And yet, I'm still not seeing a reason to cast aspersions on GRUB or Linux distros, nor am I seeing those twirly mustachios on their faces.

No OS gives much of a damn about anything else running on the computer. Claims to the contrary are literally farcical and the pseudo-damages it could theoretically cause to the easily bruised are silly.

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Re:DOS Ain't Done Til Lotus Won't Run? (2005) by krylon on Thursday October 22, 2015 @02:11PM (#10433841)

> No OS gives much of a damn about anything else running on the computer.

Most Linux distros (the ones I have used, at least) will detect an existing Windows installation and put a corresponding entry into GRUB's menu. Linux has been able to access data on Windows partitions for many, many years.

I agree that the boot loader issue probably has at most negligible impact on the adoption of Linux (or any other OS for that matter). I am just saying that in light of Microsoft's history one may feel inclined to judge them differently.

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Re:DOS Ain't Done Til Lotus Won't Run? (2005) by dang on Sunday October 25, 2015 @02:07PM (#10447712)

Personal attacks, which this crosses the line into, are not allowed on HN.

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Re:DOS Ain't Done Til Lotus Won't Run? (2005) by anonbanker on Sunday October 25, 2015 @03:59PM (#10448149)

This might be an Appeal to Dehumanization (I just created a new fallacy), but I consider about 75% of the people on HN to be legitimate people. the remaining reek of sockpuppetry. I felt the grandparent was a sockpuppet, and am treating the account as a dataset for future encounters.

I should be more mindful of the fact that there's (potentially) a human being behind the account I'm treating like an astroturfer. I can see why you considered this a personal attack.

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Re:DOS Ain't Done Til Lotus Won't Run? (2005) by dang on Sunday October 25, 2015 @08:12PM (#10449008)

If you want to name a new fallacy, name the bias where people are more likely to think someone is astroturfing or a shill when they disagree with them. That's a common one, and it's definitely against the rules on HN to go there without evidence. An opposing opinion is not evidence.

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix=true&page=0&dateR...

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Re:DOS Ain't Done Til Lotus Won't Run? (2005) by anonbanker on Monday October 26, 2015 @12:22AM (#10449605)

one would assume the Hasty Generalization[1] fallacy would suffice.

When, do you think, does a rhetorical device fall into the realm of propagandizing?

1. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/hasty-generalis...

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Re:DOS Ain't Done Til Lotus Won't Run? (2005) by eropple on Sunday October 25, 2015 @01:31PM (#10447557)

Propaganda? You're confusing a love for the English language and a little command of rhetoric with something vastly different, chief.

Hell, I don't even use Windows as a primary platform; I'm typing this from a Mac while I'm (quite literally) waiting to meet a guy to sell my Surface Pro 3 that I never use. I'm just not impressed by rules-for-thee-but-not-for-me silliness and knee-jerk, irrational fear. I don't trust Microsoft any more than I trust any company. But I don't rely on the fears of fifteen years ago to evaluate the current state of the world, either.

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Re:DOS Ain't Done Til Lotus Won't Run? (2005) by anonbanker on Sunday October 25, 2015 @04:05PM (#10448174)

I think you and I have a vastly different definition of propaganda. I considered your post to be information or ideas methodically spread to promote or injure a cause, movement, nation, etc. In this case, the cause and movement would be "microsoft is still evil, do not forget." do you disagree that your post fits the definition under these constraints?

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