Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones

Re:Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones by faide on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:20PM (#10422535)

In case anyone shares my confusion: they aren't talking about unlocking in the sense of removing carrier restrictions, but rather in the sense of disabling the security features of the device to access the data stored on it.

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Re:Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones by alialkhatib on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:28PM (#10422574)

I was similarly confused. While the HN title accurately reflects the Reuters title, I think it'd be reasonable to retitle the submission to something along the lines of "Apple: breaking encryption on devices running iOS 8 and newer 'would be impossible'", or something (point being to highlight that we're talking about the encryption issue, not carrier).

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Re:Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones by daimyoyo on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:25PM (#10422561)

I believe they're talking about trying to access a phone once it has been "locked" from too many wrong tries at the lock screen.

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Re:Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones by pakled_engineer on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @09:08PM (#10422949)

That's what I got from the article, the key was wiped because of X many tries so Apple can't "unlock" the data on the device (excluding everything backed up to apple cloud).

In the future they will use shady FinFisher iTunes and other exploits to grab the data then seize the phone.

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Re:Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones by supercoder on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @08:51PM (#10422896)

Makes sense to anyone who uses an iPhone though.

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Re:Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones by morganvachon on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @09:47PM (#10423077)

iPhone user here, and my first thought upon reading the headline was "unlocking" in the sense of carrier locks. Given that Apple sells unlocked phones in the first place, my mind immediately switched to the actual meaning of the headline. But still, there was a moment of confusion.

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Re:Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones by jmount on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @08:11PM (#10422762)

I agree. For phones "unlock" means removing carrier restrictions and getting information off is something like "decrypt" or "crack."

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Re:Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones by wan23 on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @08:45PM (#10422882)

iOS devices have a "lock screen" where to use the device you have to enter a passcode or password or fingerprint to gain access to the device. Usually if you pick up someone's phone this is the screen that you see.

https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/screen-shot-2013...

Note the "slide to unlock" message at the bottom. If you asked most users what it means to unlock a phone, this is what they would think of, as they see it every day.

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Re:Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones by benatkin on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @09:08PM (#10422951)

> If you asked most users what it means to unlock a phone, this is what they would think of, as they see it every day.

[citation needed]

"Unlocked phone" is not limited to experts. More than half a million hits on google: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22unlocked+phone%22&oq=%22u...

I really don't know what "most users" would think of.

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Re:Apple tells U.S. judge 'impossible' to unlock new iPhones by somebehemoth on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @09:50PM (#10423097)

What possible citation could be better than the one provided? Apple has sold over 1 billion of these devices and they all share the same lock screen UI; 500,000 search results on Google pales in comparison as a citation.

Edit: I understand your point and agree that unlocking a device would not mean exactly the same thing to all people. I just don't agree that the parent needed an additional citation.

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