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Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by jerf on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @09:57AM (#10419122)
There are studies that suggest that teams that take time out of the day to joke and laugh with each other are still more productive than the teams that are heads down all the time.

(I'm grateful my natural inclination has proved out to be a good use of time, but now I don't even feel guilty about it, which is nice.)

If we were robots or Vulcans, perhaps socialization is a net loss, but for humans in general it is not. If you are trying to optimize your productivity, removing social contact is not necessarily moving in the right direction; the productivity optimum is not "zero social contact".

Of course "social networks" may be low-grade or negative socialization. Perhaps the fact it is "low-calorie" social interaction causes people to spend too much time on it when they could do better by other mechanisms. I don't know, really. I'm just pointing out that assuming social == not producing value is an oversimplification, if you're a human being.

Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by bad_user on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @10:17AM (#10419258)
I don't consider social networking to be about social contact, because the physical contact is missing and most of the time we aren't even talking with our "friends" on these social networks. A "like" or a retweet is not a dialog.

Phone calls, SMS messages, IRC chats or even emails are way more healthy than whatever happens on social networks because they are bidirectional. And I'm not even speaking about the magic that happens when shaking somebody's hand or when receiving a smile.

Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @01:02PM (#10420359)
I disagree. For those of us who use social networking more for posting updates and discussing things with each other, it has lots of social-contact value. The two benefits it provides that aren't simultaneously given by phone calls, SMS, IRC or watercooler meetups:

- broadcast but pull (not push) communication; everyone (from the group that can see a particular post) can join or leave a discussion at any time, and reading it does not require commitment to active participation

- asynchronous communication; I can drop a comment and read replies at my own schedule, and there is no expectation for immediate response

And no, you can't really disconnect it from the other side of social networking, i.e. posting cat pictures and news articles - they provide a social object, around which a discussion can form[0].

Complaining about social networks as "inferior" form of social interaction seems like complaining about potatoes as inferior food because they weren't around in Europe 500 years ago. Yes, living only on potatoes isn't the healthiest thing, but they are a decent food and even if you make it the core of your diet, you won't get sick.

[0] - http://gapingvoid.com/blog/2007/12/31/social-objects-for-beg... curiously, this text now starts with an image that wasn't there last time I read it, and that perfectly sums up my opinion on advertising

Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by bad_user on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @02:12PM (#10420773)
Oh, I would never say that potatoes are inferior, as that would be the same reductionist science mentality that has been making us obese and sick. In fact a social network like Facebook is nothing like the potato, but more like the Chicken McNuggets or the sweetened corn flakes or the soda made of high fructose corn syrup, or the ultra-pasteurized and low-fat milk, or the beef from corn-fed cows that need antibiotics because of liver abscesses that happen for being fed corn and animal tissue instead of grass.

Just as with fast food that depends on subsidized corn, ignorance and fossil fuels, social networks like Facebook represents the industrialization of our social interactions: fast, cheap, shallow and designed for mass consumption. And make no mistake, just like how the food demand is inelastic because our stomach doesn't grow bigger, so is our attention span as there are only 24 hours in a day, so the same strategies are employed by both sides, with Facebook being the new TV (how ironic, almost as ironic as organic food being industrialized).

And going back to the potato, we Europeans may have started eating it only 500 years ago, but the potato has been domesticated 7,000 to 10,000 years ago in South America. We simply discovered what other people have been eating for thousands of years. No such thing happened with social networks. Or with present day processed foods for that matter.

And you know, industrialized food and the modern lifestyle has been making us obese and gave us diabetes. We might also discover that this modern lifestyle is also bringing with it other gifts, like autism and I wouldn't be surprised at all if some conditions from the autistic spectrum are also caused by humans having shallower social interactions.

Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by eggie on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @10:25AM (#10419318)
Yesterday I realized that it has been a long time since an old friend reached out by email to ask how I was doing. I still do, but I also don't use the most popular social media channels. I wonder if the simulation of contact provided by broadcast-style social media is enough to satiate the need to reach out and make direct contact. Perhaps I should delete my page from facebook. Despite the fact it hasn't been touched in four years it might give people the impression that they know how I am. It is easier to find me by actively searching for my name on the web. Then, even if one does this I've heard that facebook will sometimes make a stub page from media they have available to stand in. It feels like a nightmarish trap in which we train machines to supplant ourselves.
Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by freehunter on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @11:17AM (#10419703)
My close group of a friends always has a Facebook Messenger thread going. We went to college together but have since moved to different places all around the Midwest. We make time to see each other in person a few times a year, but the main way we keep in contact is a Facebook chat that's constantly rolling.

So it goes both ways.

Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by bad_user on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @03:26PM (#10421199)
Well yeah, that's a reasonable use-case, but how often does it really happen? Plus you're probably talking about a handful of friends, but what about the other 150 people or more in one's list?
Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by cubano on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @10:58AM (#10419574)
> (I'm grateful my natural inclination has proved out to be a good use of time, but now I don't even feel guilty about it, which is nice.)

Are you sure you are not just experiencing confirmation bias?

A lot of very high-octane code has been written by devs who eschew social contact (any distractions, really) for the duration of the push, so I suppose it just depends.

I have a hard time believing that any "study" can really tease out optimum productivity for all cases.

Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by Lawtonfogle on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @11:13AM (#10419674)
It could be something where a short term optimization does not apply to a long term problem.

Take running. Trying to get from point A to B as fast as possible requires different strategies depending upon how far apart they are. A very short distance is best done by going all out 100%, but if you do that for a marathon you'll be beaten by someone who paces themself.

Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @01:09PM (#10420402)
Your analogy about running is very good, althought I think there's also another aspect - a lot depends on personal idiosyncrasies and relation between a person and a task. For instance, if I'm free to work on my personal projects, I prefer not to have any social contact with anyone except pizza delivery guy for extended periods of time. On the other hand, I need Hacker News and Facebook Messenger to get through the day at $dayjob.
Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by silverbax88 on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @01:38PM (#10420560)
This is a great analogy. Who would win in a race between Usain Bolt and paralympian marathoner Marcel Hug? Depends on the length of the race.
Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by jerf on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @03:18PM (#10421155)
"Are you sure you are not just experiencing confirmation bias?"

"I did a thing" -> "Study comes out which says the thing is a good thing" does not conform to any useful definition of "confirmation bias" I can think of. (I can stretch it, but the result is not a useful definition.)

Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by joseakle on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @11:53AM (#10419932)
"There are studies" Could you please share some links? we've been working remotely more and more and i'm very curious about the findings.
Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by johnkpush on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @12:30PM (#10420162)
I would really like to see those studies, and a link would be great. Our company is on Slack and while we all work hard, we take some time during the day to spontaneously crack jokes and send interesting articles around.

I can't speak for everyone in the group, but I feel a little recharged after a flurry of funny gifs or esoteric programming jokes.

Re:Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches ... by jerf on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @03:16PM (#10421144)
I tried to Google them up before I posted, but I couldn't come up with specific-enough Google terms in the sea of "social". It's been on HN recently; HN being what it is, keep your eye out, it'll roll around again in the next few months.